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iqsr2
06-30-2004, 08:28 PM
I read some where that fram oil filters were to fine and would result in dirty oil being released back into the engine.

TIA
Stan :-|

RustyJeep
06-30-2004, 09:45 PM
All I use is Wix. All my place of employment uses is Wix. Going on 48 years now, so I guess something is going right. Wix is good, Napa gold is Wix and also so is the Carquest Blue packaging. Mobil 1 and K&N's seem to be good too (used those on an Eagle Talon TSI)

pyagid
07-01-2004, 07:06 AM
Yup WIX

ironroad 32
07-02-2004, 06:11 AM
yea fram is crap ,there have been many test done and they all came back the same ...fram=crap i third the vote for napa silver or napa gold or if you can find a straight up WIX brand thats the same as napas who are made by wix there in gastonia n.c. and minimum i would use is purolator there not to bad

fulsizjeep
07-04-2004, 08:48 AM
Fram is crap... Yep.
I have a Wix on my new 401. Not sure where my father-n-law got it. I bought STP filters for the engine job and destroyed one when we had to change oil pressure sender to 88 style after it was in the truck. So, he handed me the Wix. Not sure how well the STP models hold up to Wix. AC is good too tho.

ironroad 32
07-04-2004, 09:49 AM
yea i mainly use a/c filters on my gm stuff ,dunno why just habit ..lol

paddyp
07-04-2004, 04:45 PM
Gotta throw in another :t: for Wix. Best filter out there by far.

steviesj20
07-08-2004, 08:05 AM
Wix to hard to get in my area, I use Hastings. Also recommended by the Amsoil folks.

TRACTOR
07-14-2004, 08:28 PM
I definitely found that my oil didn't look the best with Fram even aftert 500 or so miles. Ive been urged to use AMS OIL in a dual filter system for my trucks. Its suposed to go for 100k between changes :pottytrain4:

jeepsr4ever
07-14-2004, 08:48 PM
TRACTOR NO! :?: :?: :?:

If they are saying 100K without a oil filter change they are filling you with hops and barley....maybe 10K but that is pushing it....bigtime

amc258
07-14-2004, 09:04 PM
10K on a filter=bad
100K on a filter=crime against nature

7 to 10 bucks every 3000 miles is a lot better than a couple grand for a rebuild. :t:

jaber
08-24-2004, 08:34 AM
I've been using Fram, but it sounds like I'm going to change that, Thanks... :-|

FrankNB
08-24-2004, 10:43 AM
I think AC Delco also came out with some good ones.. Duragard or doublegard, something like that.. I think they're a purolator though, I'm not sure.. Wix I think is the top brand... You can do an oil analysis from Amsoil, it's only around 20$ in the states.. If you use a synthetic, and change your filters at regular intervals for extended drains... You can also add a bypass oil filter to thoroughly clean the crap out of the oil... Although these concepts are not so popular on this board. I think I'm the only guy pushing this stuff here.. I'm just about to install my Motorguard unit on mine, I'm interested to see it at work. Apparently it can remove a few quarts of water out of the oil, not a bad thing when us guys are always muddin' in eastern Canada..

Mudrat
08-25-2004, 05:37 PM
I think AC Delco also came out with some good ones.. Duragard or doublegard, something like that.. I think they're a purolator though, I'm not sure.. Wix I think is the top brand... You can do an oil analysis from Amsoil, it's only around 20$ in the states.. If you use a synthetic, and change your filters at regular intervals for extended drains... You can also add a bypass oil filter to thoroughly clean the crap out of the oil... Although these concepts are not so popular on this board. I think I'm the only guy pushing this stuff here.. I'm just about to install my Motorguard unit on mine, I'm interested to see it at work. Apparently it can remove a few quarts of water out of the oil, not a bad thing when us guys are always muddin' in eastern Canada..

Frank, are you saying an off engine filter system (mounted on the fenderwell or where ever)? And your using synthetic lubricants? As for "This board" I'm not sure we've ever dicussed off engine purifiers. We did discuss at some length pre-oilers though. The ones to pump up the oil pressure before you crank the motor. Not really cost effective for what we do though ...


Mudrat

bb
09-17-2004, 09:28 PM
i use penzoil 15/40 oil and penzoil filter in all my vehicles.

ps: im a newbie to the forum so i would like to say hi to all my fellow fsjeepers :razz:

Goose
09-17-2004, 09:59 PM
Well , I guess Im done with Fram..I always used them never gave it a thought..I guess It never occured to me that too much filtration is bad.. but after pulling this 360 apart and seeing that it MUST have been recycling dirty oil.. What oil viscosity is recommended? I remember reading here in one of the forums about certain wieghts causing wear cause of the shear.

mdill
10-05-2004, 12:50 PM
10K on a filter=bad
100K on a filter=crime against nature ,

Don't think it would make it to 100K, best experiment I have seen
was a new ~79 maybe 80 ish (It was a while ago) Chev Suburban
brand spanken new at the time, customer ran it without a oil change
just added make up oil when low, made it ~36K when the engine
siezed. Oil (if that is what you would call it) in the oil filter looked
like jelly. Cool experiment, that is one data point I am glad some else
payed to get.
Get real on the 10K oil changes, that maybe OK on a over the
road rig that runs 24/7 lightly loaded with oil analisys on a contiinuous
basis, but for a DD that goes though 3-4 warmup cycles a day and
runs for a couple miles between them like my DD, I would be lucky
to like what the oil looks like after 3K or so. I usually change it out
by 1500 give or take, unless I have a long trip in there which does not
really count.
The worse thing you can do to an engine is start it, and the second
worse thing is to shut it off.



Mike D.

3jeepsdeep
10-20-2004, 06:28 PM
ditto on the fram thing, jaber. me too.

jeepsr4ever
10-20-2004, 07:04 PM
10K on a filter=bad
100K on a filter=crime against nature



:?: :?: :?:

Ray
10-25-2004, 09:39 PM
I have had very good luck with the K&N,simply for drain back issues.

Ray. :t:

FrankNB
10-26-2004, 09:19 AM
Frank, are you saying an off engine filter system (mounted on the fenderwell or where ever)? And your using synthetic lubricants? As for "This board" I'm not sure we've ever dicussed off engine purifiers. We did discuss at some length pre-oilers though. The ones to pump up the oil pressure before you crank the motor. Not really cost effective for what we do though ...

Mudrat

Yea, I'm currently running a MotorGuard unit with toilet paper rolls. I mounted it on the passenger fender well. I would really like to get some AMC oil from MC, but it's a little beyond my pocket book with all this import thing.. So, I'm going to switch my oil to ExxonMobil Delvac 1 10W40 full synthetic for year round use, I'm still on my first oil change after initial rebuild startup oil dump.. I have about 100 hours on the engine now.. I also run an oil cooler from Permacool (the 250HP model).. All full flow filters only do a fair job at cleaning your oil, the smaller particles that cause wear are not filtered really well, a bypass filter in my book at 80$ and a toilet paper roll of 50 cents per month is not a choice, it's a must. Where I do my fourwheeling is mostly very dusty and in mud swamps sometimes just below the headlights.. I'd say this is a very harsh environment for an engine.. Of course, you also need a good air filter. I like the fact that the TP roll will take some water out of the oil too.. I run about 8 quarts of oil with my current setup as opposed to the normal 5..

iqsr2
10-26-2004, 10:47 AM
can you post some pictures of your setup.

FrankNB
10-26-2004, 11:21 AM
Unfortunately, my girlfriend is in Nice, France, until mid December.. she took her digital camera with her... I'l see if I can't get somebody to come over and take pics.. I'm not really know for clean work, usually my stuff looks like shit but does the job.. I have this thing, people say I use way too much duct tape.. Especially when they see the piece rapped around my front axle tube.. I have a link with some pictures of the unit. I have changed the TP roll once so far, and it was pretty dirty.. It is said that toilet paper (cellulose fiber) can filter down to 2 microns.. I think the best full flow filters out there barely reach 10 microns..

I wil describe my setup: I have a fitting besides my oil pressure sending line, a rubber hose from that point to the bypass filter, and a return line to a fitting in my oil pan just below the baffle..(a low pressure point) the unit is said to filter about 3 gallons an hour and is pretty well designed. the TP roll fits inside the unit that you can see at www.ralphwood.com a hard core keeps the inside of the TP roll from collapsing.. the oil enters the top and flow through the paper and is collected at the bottom.

My oil cooler is the one that relocates the full flow filter and uses a sandwich adapter which goes where the spin on oil filter used to be. I mounted the full flow verticaly besides the bypass unit. Just for fun I added in the full flow line a mechanical temp gauge. So I can see the temperature of the oil vs. coolant. There can be quite the difference... on the road my coolant is 165F, and the oil around 170 at low rpm. The coolant will stay the same (four core rad on a YJ), but the oil will vary with the rpm.. I've had the oil as high as 230F when playing in some gravel pits, but on the road it usually sits around 190F at 2500rpm going 70Km/h.. This was with dino Valvoine 10W30.. I'm eager to note the differences with the heavier synthetic... Here's a link with some pretty bad pics of the build up this summer.

http://community.webshots.com/user/franknb

jeepinjay
10-28-2004, 10:05 AM
I am a firm believer in Mobil oil and I use Bosch oil filters for the availability and price. I suppose that just about anything is better than Fram. It is amazing what people will buy because of mass advertising.

FrankNB
10-28-2004, 11:58 AM
Jay, what weight of Mobil do you use?

Mudrat
10-28-2004, 06:59 PM
I am a firm believer in Mobil oil and I use Bosch oil filters for the availability and price. I suppose that just about anything is better than Fram. It is amazing what people will buy because of mass advertising.
Well the second link sends you back to a BT page, but the link to the Motorguard sytsems is: http://www.bypassfilter.com/

OBTW, the Ralphwood link doesn't work ...
Pat

3jeepsdeep
10-28-2004, 07:15 PM
I have been using Fram filters (gonna change that right now!!) ..and 10w 40 motor oil pretty much year round in all my vehicles 'cept he hot rod lawn tractor (still breaking in a rebuild -- 10 wt: non det). I have used 10-40 HD oil in southern CA, Fla, and IN in the same vehicles with no issues/ I found that the engines tend to consume / leak less oil than with 10-30. Got 150k on the Cherokee before engine swap (broke crank in two) but was still not consuming any measurable amopunt of oil between changes at that point. Did 99.9% on-road hiway driving , tho -- just for sanity check.

regards
df

ol' school power
10-30-2004, 03:00 PM
The last time I used a Fram ( several years ago) was the last time I ever heard a lifter tick on a cold start. Worthless Frams always drained back into the pan.
I run ( for what it's worth) is either Mobil1, AC or Motorcraft FL1A.
I also changed over the threaded adapter on the older stuff here to the 91 and later style so I can run and find the full sized filters and not those little stumps. Now all the vehicles in the house take the same filter.

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