L2313 Piston-To-Wall clearance???

[fasterdaddyfaster]

A while back I picked up some 30 over NOS TRW L2313 forged aluminum pistons from Ebay for use in a 69 390. They came in what looks like the original box with pins and pin retaining clips. However they did not come complete with the original machining spec sheet. Could anybody let me know what the correct piston-to-wall clearance should be for these pistons? Also is there anything else that I should inform the machine shop about? Thanks, Norm.

[fuzz401]

I would think they would be the same spec as factory pistons to cly. wall

[fasterdaddyfaster]

Well from what I do know is that stock 69 390 pistons are of a cast aluminum construction and these TRWs (as well as many other high performance pistons) are of a forged aluminum construction. Even though stock and aftermarket are both made of aluminum, the forgings are much denser and thus stronger and more durable and all that affects thermal expansion. So piston-to-wall clearance is usually particular to the piston being used.

So I am hoping that somebody else has an NOS set and also has the original machining instructions that would have come with these pistons.

I’ve also been told (but again no actual numbers were known) that there is enough material above the top ring land so that up to an xx amount of material can be milled off to lower the compression ratio some, but alas, again when you then go and say “Oh that’s nice, so up to how much can be milled and roughly how does that relate to the compression ratio?” All I get is “I dun know!”

[radamx]

I don't know the exact clerances but I do have a old trw book at home and it might have them .
anyway the stock clerance will not work
forged pistons like these meed between 4 to11 thousands clearance.
so you need to wait untill someone finds the specs.
I will look tonight..

[bobhalverson]

from a speed pro book, the L2313f clearance is .005", and they say you can remove .055" from the top if you want to run them in a 401- these are high compression race pistons (11.0-1 to 13.0-1) and need serious octane!!!!!!!! RU ready to smoke some big blocks!!!!

[jeepsr4ever]

:t: I stay to the looose side .007 for heat purposes

[1970amx]

Hello,
I have used those pistons before in a hot street/strip motor in my 70 AMX. They are NOT stock replacement pistons. They are forged pistons designed for hot pro street/strip engines. I would not run them with less than a minimum of .007 clearance. Personally I would shoot for .008-.009

If you clearance them tight you will scuff your cylinder walls and piston skirts ! It won't last long !

Also....be prepared to run race gas with them. If you run a large duration cam with lots of overlap you might possibly get by with a mixture of 93 octane super unleaded and race gas.

Hope this helps
Rob

[jeepsr4ever]

Good words



Welcome aboard!

[fasterdaddyfaster]

Hey everybody thanks for the responses, (I've been away for a while). I feel much better now. It looks like my pic-a-part piece-meal approach hasn't stung me yet! My rough measurements are showing that the already machined bores range from .004 to .007 wider than the NOS pistons I found and it looks like you guys are recommending .005 to .009 (more to to wider side). So it looks like I'll just have the machine shop hone-to-fit in the .007 to .008 range. Thanks again, Norm.

[Mudrat]

My rough measurements are showing that the already machined bores range from .004 to .007 wider than the NOS pistons I found and it looks like you guys are recommending .005 to .009 (more to to wider side). So it looks like I'll just have the machine shop hone-to-fit in the .007 to .008 range. Thanks again, Norm.
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Mudrat :mrgreen:

[tufcj]

The instructions that came with my Ross forged pistons are:

Normally aspirated:

Bore 3.475 and under .003
Bore 3.476 - 4.499 .004
bore 4.500 and up .006

Marine +.002
Nitrous applications over 250 HP +.002

It also says filled blocks and blocks honed without plates may require more clearance.

My .030 over 390 was done at .006"

Bob
tufcj

[Dusty]

My rough measurements are showing that the already machined bores range from .004 to .007 wider than the NOS pistons I found and it looks like you guys are recommending .005 to .009 (more to to wider side). So it looks like I'll just have the machine shop hone-to-fit in the .007 to .008 range. Thanks again, Norm.
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Mudrat :mrgreen:

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and of course we all should voice our opinion at the end of the night http://community.webshots.com/photo/234714467/234715456ZABYHt


8) :roll: Maybe i should ask what you wanted pictures of :razz: .006" on my 401 .30 over older Speedpro's close to yours:wink:

[Mudrat]

Maybe i should ask what you wanted pictures of :razz: .006" on my 401 .30 over older Speedpro's close to yours:wink:
The block and process ... not the process of the block (heads) 8)
And you BLOCKED the babe (is this (http://community.webshots.com/photo/234715429/234715429coJRfZ) her? or HERE? (http://community.webshots.com/photo/234715378/234715378OACBZj) :roll: ) in http://community.webshots.com/photo/210999610/200854050WKVRhJ what's up with that??? She has a right (I guess) to be there??? :oops:
And I hope you're not the slow one on the left here http://community.webshots.com/photo/234714467/234715456ZABYHt. He have a hard time spinning up, or was he soooooo spun-up (or, spooled down?) he couldn't react fast enough? :idea:

Mudrat the curious ... :mrgreen:

[Dusty]

LOL. you forgot to mention the end result after a little too much abuse.

Logjam is in other pictures she choose to abstain that night from anymore festivities including drunken photos how about the same group 4 bottles of Tequila earlier http://community.webshots.com/photo/210999610/200854042UqjsAh

Im the :razz: in the Montana sweatshirt not the short balding Gorilla, He's the one who put my 401 together. :lo1l:

I thought this was a better view of that night all together
http://community.webshots.com/photo/234714467/234715441byvjLj :idea:
:wink:

Then again sometimes an angel comes into play :t:
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#-o yes i try to always bring the digital camera, but i abstain from posting the topless shots :?:

[Mudrat]

LOL. you forgot to mention the end result after a little too much abuse.
yes i try to always bring the digital camera, but i abstain from posting the topless shots :?:
Only got thru the birthday pics - didn't open the other albums. But I think I'm going to!!! http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/contrib/tweetz/boobs.gif
Either one is ... wellllll ... you make the call
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'Course is the devil child (2nd left) available??
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Muztabeendarat http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/ups/layla_phoenix/boobies.gif

[Lifted79CJ7]

Pardon my french, but this is Freak'n HILARIOUS!! OK, enough being sick, off to the bar with me!!!!

:lo1l: :razz:

[Dusty]

Were you talking about this Devil http://community.webshots.com/photo/210999610/281758090TCIjdc if so you are more than welcome to her, Cause i'll take the angel :razz: Next Holloween i'll try and stay a little more sober so i can get you a few of thier names, numbers and email address' :shock: NOT :wink:


:razz: Dusty

[Mudrat]

Were you talking about this Devil http://community.webshots.com/photo/210999610/281758090TCIjdc if so you are more than welcome to her, Cause i'll take the angel :razz: Next Holloween i'll try and stay a little more sober so i can get you a few of thier names, numbers and email address' :shock: NOT :wink:

:razz: Dusty
HAHAHAha ... ahhhh ... no. But I agree with your taste in Angels. But maybe you need to sober up BEFORE the next party :-| :?
One of these should (or could) work though ... http://community.webshots.com/photo/281756480/281756480aDyetB :t:
But then again what does this have to do with 'piston to sidewall clearance' #-o

Mudrat

[Dusty]

Is this the old Train and tunnel annalogy?

My piston has what kind of cleance to her sidewalls. :shock:


Alright i dirtied and twisted things enough for you now :?

[Lifted79CJ7]

Don't forget to "skirt" your pistons for protection and hopefully it will be a self lubicating system.....

[Dusty]

:shock: LOL :lo1l:

[Mudrat]

Is this the old Train and tunnel annalogy?

My piston has what kind of cleance to her sidewalls. :shock:

Alright i dirtied and twisted things enough for you now :?
At least you weren't slow on the pick-up :t: So I guess that WASN'T you on the left in the pics :lo1l:

And Jack, if not then you need to install the KY oiling mod 8)

Mudrat

[Dusty]

KY is kinda primative, there are much better synthetic blends offering improved break in qualities, they come in flavors for the recieving end of the piston, and for while determining the 4 play and checking cylinder wall clearances, early on in the piston sizing and installation process this is essential to fitting things things together and aids in the prelubing process. Prelube to the engine is essential to long engine life and smooth installation, but over lubrication can also lead to wet spots.

Be sure to gauge the situation accordingly as use of full sythetic on a dry and new engine can also lead to improper ring seating. :t: and a short engine life situation :t: also when engine lubrication system kicks in. Results may vary


#-o

[Mudrat]

KY is kinda primative, ... Prelube to the engine is essential to long engine life and smooth installation, but over lubrication can also lead to wet spots.

Be sure to gauge the situation accordingly as use of full sythetic on a dry and new engine can also lead to improper ring seating. :t: and a short engine life situation :t: also when engine lubrication system kicks in. Results may vary
#-o

I'm into primative :lo1l: :t:


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[Dusty]

:t: You spent way too much time looking for that picture

[Lifted79CJ7]

Mudrat, you old fart, you probably don't do it doggy style, but hooverround style!! :mrgreen:

[Mudrat]

:t: You spent way too much time looking for that picture
About 30 seconds on Google for "pre-oiler" :t: I was actually looking for the presurized oil pre-lubing system to put on the 360 and she just happend to 'pop' in there :lo1l:

[Dusty]

30 seconds. :shock: "Pre-luber" "Pressurized system" this is not a good sign, usually they say Viagra is a intermediate that helps are you sure you need to be researching the installation of full blown hydraulics.

360? is that some new technique? or a left over from before i was around. :shock: Or does that involve one of those swings from the cieling thingys.

From the sounds of things popping in is only for 30 seconds or needs hydraulic assistance. Mudrat??



:? :-| Maybe work is getting to you, you need more threads like this to keep the humor and potentially a new physician with better advice. :mrgreen:

1 vote for timely and appropriate picture lol Mudrat you always come up with the right one


Jack your killing me over here

[Mudrat]

Mudrat, you old fart, you probably don't do it doggy style, but hooverround style!! :mrgreen:
I'm an old sailor you young whelp 8) !! I'll do it anywhere, anytime I damned well want to!! :? With or without pre-lube :sa:

[Mudrat]

30 seconds. :shock:

Jack your killing me over here
Well that's all it takes right now - I've been sick :roll: Billy Ward wrote a song about me a while back, "60 Minute Man".

[Dusty]

Excuses, excuses.

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60 minute recharge? :?: but she'll have to put you back in the water first

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Just remember im just the young "Peckerwood" over here, but I dont recall Jack being a spring chicken either.

[Mudrat]

Just remember im just the young "Peckerwood" over here, but I dont recall Jack being a spring chicken either.
I prefer "Rationalization", but I think Jack just turned 15 or 25 :-| But he looks like 15 :?

Mudrat

[Lifted79CJ7]

1) Mudrats a seaman. Huh huh huh, I said seaman.....

2) I actually am going to be old this year, taking the dive into the 30's in September. Guess I should start acting it!!

3) This one has me cracking up... http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/ban-hump.gif

[Lifted79CJ7]

Here's my latest pic of me - went out fishing yesterday (man was it cold!!).

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and here is the look of love I reel the ladies in with....

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[Mudrat]

Like I said - 15 http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/ups/budaz/jerk.gif

Mud

[Lifted79CJ7]

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[Dusty]

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Poor Old guys, Poor old seamen, all that water for all those years Poor old guys with water soaked wrinkly balls.

Dont know what to tell em. we'll be there some day Jack but not anytime soon :idea:

#-o