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tarior
08-04-2005, 03:23 PM
I have never seen a main stud girdle for the AMC V8, I know they are used with quite a bit of success on Ford two-bolt-main small blocks.
Does anyone besides me think they would be a good idea for AMC's, especially 304 and 360 blocks?

73hornut
08-06-2005, 07:29 PM
My machinist has made a few that he plans to sell over the internet, as soon as he gets a new computer. Made from 1/2in steel. I'll try to get some pictures.

73hornut
08-10-2005, 05:49 PM
OK, here are a couple pics. These are'nt available just yet. He's still working out pan clearence issue. 1/2in steel, ARP studs. Cost will probably be in the $200.00 range.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Jimspics/P1010158Custom.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Jimspics/P1010157Custom.jpg

73hornut
08-10-2005, 05:52 PM
No F#%^*^$#%^ modify button on this forum.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Jimspics/P1010158Custom.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Jimspics/P1010157Custom.jpg

tarior
08-11-2005, 03:19 AM
That looks really good :? I think if I were building enough motor to warrant a main girdle, I would likely ditch the internal pickup and go external. I'm thinking about trying my hand at fabricating an oil pan, I would like to look at a Milodon or Canton and see what kind of baffle arrangment they use. BTW, that is quite possibly the cleanest block I have ever seen

73hornut
08-11-2005, 06:28 AM
The block was shot peened. Destresses the block.

tarior
08-11-2005, 11:54 AM
Ahhh, I see. 'Gonna be a fast one, eh? :sa:

thigh19
10-17-2005, 02:51 PM
Would like to get my name on the list?

Mudrat
10-29-2005, 05:45 PM
OK, it's Sat night, I've had a couple - but still don't understand why a Stud needs a girdle :? :!:

jeepsr4ever
10-29-2005, 08:41 PM
The AMC stud girdle was printed in performace american style the book that said it may help.

Mudrat
10-29-2005, 09:01 PM
The AMC stud girdle was printed in performace american style the book that said it may help.
OK, STUD you missed my point :?: So where's YOUR girdle :-| ??? You certainly didn't have one at the FSJ invasion :mrgreen:

tarior
10-30-2005, 04:32 AM
I don't know about a girdle, but I won a bra from a fairly hot chick tonight in a pool game. She says she'll be coming to retrieve it and settle the rest of the bet in the AM. I 'll keep you posted. :? :lo1l:

73hornut
10-30-2005, 03:58 PM
Do you need a girdle, maybe not, but you know you want one, admit it!

Mudrat
10-30-2005, 04:58 PM
Girdle hell!!! I just wanted 'some' this morning, but OOOOhhhhh nooooooo, she had tp go to work :smile:
I'm begining to sound like MC :shock: :smile:

tarior
11-02-2005, 05:23 AM
She showed, whoo hooo :? :lo1l:
What a great weekend!
BTW, what's the status on that girdle?

73hornut
11-06-2005, 09:54 PM
She showed, whoo hooo :? :lo1l:
What a great weekend!
BTW, what's the status on that girdle?
Workin on it.

Holeshot
11-17-2005, 11:44 AM
Hello.....Supposedly the 392 Hemi stud girdle can be adapted to the AM block quite easily by a machinist.

http://www.american-powersports.com/amc/tech/eng/block/392_sg1.jpeg

http://www.american-powersports.com/amc/tech/eng/block/392_sg2.jpeg

http://www.american-powersports.com/amc/tech/eng/block/392_sg3.jpeg

http://www.american-powersports.com/amc/tech/eng/block/392_sg4.jpeg

http://www.american-powersports.com/amc/tech/eng/block/392_sg5.jpeg

I've been watching them on Ebay and they usually go for $275~$400

tarior
11-17-2005, 04:43 PM
That looks like a whole block girdle :idea:

Mudrat
11-17-2005, 05:24 PM
And the mods to the oil pan :-|

tarior
11-19-2005, 03:34 AM
Yeah, in the pics, you can see the countersunk holes where it bolts to the block, and the threaded ones where the pan bolts to the girdle. But where does it girdle the main studs, or, is it just a block reinforcement? :-|

73hornut
11-19-2005, 09:18 AM
Well, I talked to my friend, and hes still trying to get prices together, mostly what it will cost to machine more and what is least expensive.

401 CJ7
12-07-2005, 10:06 AM
Did the machinist ever get these produced?

Holeshot
12-07-2005, 04:49 PM
I think I would rather have 4-bolt caps fitted to the center three bearings than machine for the 392 Hemi girdle assy.

I talked to a guy at Milodon & he said they still have the blueprints & may make A set for me.

I think that "Summers Brothers" also used to make a set, but I didn't see any ref to them on their website:

http://www.summersbrothersracing.com/SBrosHome.htm

tarior
12-08-2005, 04:02 PM
No F#%^*^$#%^ modify button on this forum.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Jimspics/P1010158Custom.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Jimspics/P1010157Custom.jpg

For a 360, I sure like this option, as 4 bolt caps aren't possible on a 360 block

Holeshot
12-08-2005, 04:06 PM
That IS very nice!!!

73hornut
12-09-2005, 07:56 AM
He's designing these mainly for the 360's, but work on others as well. Talked to him yesterday, and he's still looking into costs and having them laser cut.

Mudrat
12-09-2005, 04:31 PM
No F#%^*^$#%^ modify button on this forum.

You never said what you were trying to modify ... #-o

You can mod your own posts (upper right corner of your post gives (or should give) you an "edit" button), but what are you trying to do - I'm no longer government, but am still here to help :t:

Mud

73hornut
12-09-2005, 08:17 PM
No F#%^*^$#%^ modify button on this forum.

You never said what you were trying to modify ... #-o

You can mod your own posts (upper right corner of your post gives (or should give) you an "edit" button), but what are you trying to do - I'm no longer government, but am still here to help :t:

Mud There aren't any modify or edit buttons in my posts.

jeepsr4ever
12-09-2005, 11:43 PM
Let me fix this

73hornut
12-11-2005, 10:13 AM
Thar be edit and delete buttons now! Thanks Mud and MC.

Mudrat
12-11-2005, 04:05 PM
:t:

But go VOTE we're down to #41 :smile:

tarior
01-06-2006, 11:56 PM
He's designing these mainly for the 360's, but work on others as well. Talked to him yesterday, and he's still looking into costs and having them laser cut.
Plasma cutting is probably good enough, and a lot more common.
Waterjet cutting may be more available than laser as well, and every bit as precise.

fifesjeep
10-31-2006, 09:03 PM
So what's the story.. No BS about pricing... Any word yet for the avail?

jeepsr4ever
11-01-2006, 06:48 AM
These should be blanchard ground after laser or plasma

Mudrat
11-01-2006, 11:21 AM
These should be blanchard ground after laser or plasma
Is this another way of saying milled???

jeepsr4ever
11-01-2006, 01:51 PM
Well they may have a couple of issues. One is that the expansion rate MUST be the same as the stock cap. 1045 is the popular choice of material and it has a co-efficient of thermal expansion that is VERY close to the stock caps and block, 212 - 750 deg F. is 5.9-7.5 (per pro grams specs) Which is probly heat treated. When you use a plasma or lasered piece and it expands much greater than those numbers (mild steel) then your nuts will loosen. Material stability is another one...mild steel will dance under the heat due to the stresses (unless stress relieved) and for that length and thickness of material if it is indeed mild steel it can cause bearing issues. All this considering the machinist hasnt done his math on the material involved. Other considerations would be the flatness of the material. Blanchard grinding give materials a ultra flat surface, better than just a machined surface. The holes should also be VERY close to .500. Hopefully all this is integrated into this item.

Mudrat
11-01-2006, 07:53 PM
Yeah, OK. Whatever. Guess this is why I leave that shit up to the professionals ... right now I have to find a bigger hole saw to mount my new gauges .... :smile:

Goose
11-01-2006, 11:22 PM
It'll be ok Rat.. some days are like that, Just when I think I get it, up pops some smart guy that proves that not only didnt I get it.. I probably wasn't even close.. Thus.. Money, So we can pay these guys for thier expertise..

As to the bigger hole saw.. when you get the bigger one you will probably punch one off center an 1/8th..

Is this helping any or do you need the suicide hotline number? :wink:

Mudrat
11-02-2006, 06:40 AM
You've been a BIG help!!! ](*,) Now where did I put that rope ... http://www.floridajeepers.net/images/smiles/icon_hang.gif

Actually I'm going to ask Darrell if he has a dcorrect size Greenlee punch.

fuzz401
11-02-2006, 07:06 AM
with the greenlee punch you will still have to open up the hole some

1-800-help me 8)

Mudrat
11-02-2006, 09:07 PM
1-800-help me 8)
You get a new phone number?? That's not the one I have on speed dial :-|

Goose
11-03-2006, 07:39 AM
I'm guessing you put it on speed dial because,
1. no matter how bad the work session in the shop goes, you will always have at least one digit rigid enough to push the button.

2. They know your caller id and you have call back fast and often to fool them?
:mrgreen:

fuzz401
11-03-2006, 07:52 AM
caller Id = MudRat :mrgreen:

Mudrat
11-03-2006, 09:12 PM
Atually, he's the one that answers the phone when I have a problem I can't "engineer". Voice mails don't help much when in desperate need :oops:

javsst
02-16-2007, 01:33 PM
So whatever became of the stud girdle? :) Too late for the 360 I'm building now, but I do have another one lying around that
could prove interesting.

Also, would the main studs available be tall enough to accommodate the girdle?

Thanks!

Steve

Goose
02-16-2007, 01:44 PM
ohhh I am so glad someone bumped this topic..!! I had forgotten the sad state of misery our Brother 'Rat was in we last left this story..Ummm So Brer 'Rat.. was the hole too big? too Small? or just right and of center..

As he ducks below cover giggling uncrontrollably :mrgreen: 8) :!:

Mudrat
02-16-2007, 01:58 PM
ohhh I am so glad someone bumped this topic..!! I had forgotten the sad state of misery our Brother 'Rat was in we last left this story..Ummm So Brer 'Rat.. was the hole too big? too Small? or just right and of center..

As he ducks below cover giggling uncrontrollably :mrgreen: 8) :!:

Actually it turned out pretty good!! And, I would have pics if the freak'n camera would work :smile:

But what does all this have to do with javsst wearing a girdle?? :shock: :mrgreen:

javsst
02-16-2007, 02:05 PM
Hey! How's you know I gained some weight? :mrgreen:

Mudrat
02-16-2007, 02:52 PM
Hey! How's you know I gained some weight? :mrgreen:
Was easy ...

So whatever became of the stud girdle? :) Too late for the 360 I'm carrying around now, ...
:?:

Seriously, ar you looking for another 360 or building the 401??

Blown7
02-16-2007, 03:26 PM
So whatever became of the stud girdle? :) Too late for the 360 I'm building now, but I do have another one lying around that
could prove interesting.

Also, would the main studs available be tall enough to accommodate the girdle?

Thanks!

Steve

Contact a fellow named Larry Keoman on the AMC forum.com he's out of Oregon, sells and makes AMC girdles.
Phone 541-973-7449


MC's too busy makin' my timing cover :t:

ARP AMC head studs work.


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/Blown7/newpicOct1006001.jpg

Jeff

javsst
02-16-2007, 03:31 PM
Guys - thanks for the info.

I have a 360 in storage now that one day will be built, this time, a little stronger on the bottom end.

A 401 would be nice. Once I'm a little further along with the 360 I'm working on now, and have more resources (cough, money, cough) I'll be keeping an eye out. Though if a good deal comes along, who knows!

Steve

jeepsr4ever
02-16-2007, 04:17 PM
So whatever became of the stud girdle? :) Too late for the 360 I'm building now, but I do have another one lying around that
could prove interesting.

Also, would the main studs available be tall enough to accommodate the girdle?

Thanks!

Steve

Contact a fellow named Larry Keoman on the AMC forum.com he's out of Oregon, sells and makes AMC girdles.
Phone 541-973-7449


MC's too busy makin' my timing cover :t:
ARP AMC head studs work.




Jeff


Yes I am...your oil pump will be belt driven off a new crank pulley Jeff.

Blown7
02-16-2007, 05:38 PM
Yes I am...your oil pump will be belt driven off a new crank pulley Jeff.

:-| Hope I got the room :-|


Jeff

73hornut
02-16-2007, 08:09 PM
Larry keonman, can also be reached at bulletbuilder1@embarkmail.com
He is now a member on this site and http://www.amcforums.com/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl, under bulletbuilder.

milnersXcoupe
03-08-2007, 10:15 AM
#Lary Keonman: 541-973-7449

:(: :!:


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dadcat
05-30-2007, 07:37 PM
Just spoke to Larry concerning his AMC girdle, he said he is running a special discount in the month of June, and has a few in stock as of today. Really nice guy to talk to, told me he has been making them for a very long time.

The money order is in the mail the first day of June for his kit.

The PIG Smith
06-08-2007, 09:28 PM
Contact a fellow named Larry Keoman on the AMC forum.com he's out of Oregon, sells and makes AMC girdles.
Phone 541-973-7449

ARP AMC head studs work.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/Blown7/newpicOct1006001.jpg

Jeff


#Lary Keonman: 541-973-7449

:(: :!:


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Jimspics/P1010158Custom.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Jimspics/P1010157Custom.jpg



Well they may have a couple of issues. One is that the expansion rate MUST be the same as the stock cap. 1045 is the popular choice of material and it has a co-efficient of thermal expansion that is VERY close to the stock caps and block, 212 - 750 deg F. is 5.9-7.5 (per pro grams specs) Which is probly heat treated. When you use a plasma or lasered piece and it expands much greater than those numbers (mild steel) then your nuts will loosen. Material stability is another one...mild steel will dance under the heat due to the stresses (unless stress relieved) and for that length and thickness of material if it is indeed mild steel it can cause bearing issues. All this considering the machinist hasnt done his math on the material involved. Other considerations would be the flatness of the material. Blanchard grinding give materials a ultra flat surface, better than just a machined surface. The holes should also be VERY close to .500. Hopefully all this is integrated into this item.

Okay, so what is the bottom line?
I am reading conflicting comments.

Do Stud Girdles for the AMC 360 work?
Does this piece from Larry Keoman help or hurt?

jeepsr4ever
06-09-2007, 08:21 AM
I believe this is a solution that could work for a while. How long depends on the heat/cooling cycles and fastener tension. Lots of these are made from 1045 steel (medium carbon middle range tension strength) and work very well. This is a unique piece for a AMC V8 ...I would use one.

Blown7
06-09-2007, 04:02 PM
I believe this is a solution that could work for a while. How long depends on the heat/cooling cycles and fastener tension. Lots of these are made from 1045 steel (medium carbon middle range tension strength) and work very well. This is a unique piece for a AMC V8 ...I would use one.

I forgot to add on the latest revision of the engine I added dowel pins.
I doweled the plate to the caps.


Jeff

dadcat
06-15-2007, 02:51 PM
I received the AMC girdle last week, Larry packed the item up very well and was mail to me in a very timely fashion. The instruction are very well written out with alot of details. The correct ARP studs & nuts were also in the kit. He gave me a copy of his AMC V-8 oiling modification pictorial manual.

The manual has many very clear photos and detail mods for the AMC block. It lays out three stages of modifications with plenty of photo on each stage and mods. Very worth the price of the manual.

Give him a call 541-973-7449
Finishline motor & machine

tarior
06-15-2007, 03:35 PM
How much did it cost??

dadcat
06-15-2007, 08:41 PM
the girdle was $238.00 + $20.00 shipping
The 15 page oil mod. manual is $16.00

dadcat
06-15-2007, 08:42 PM
the girdle was $238.00 + $20.00 shipping
The 15 page oil mod. manual is $16.00

tarior
06-15-2007, 09:04 PM
Not bad! :sa:

old_and_rusty
09-09-2007, 07:56 PM
I want to be put on the list also for that main cap girdle with studs. That's a good price. old_and_rusty :t:

P.S. plan on puttin' a 401 crank and E-Bay h-beam rods in a .020 over 360 block. 1/4 pounder motor.

Wrebelmachine
06-20-2021, 10:39 AM
I know this is a old thread but there is apparently a deal working to start producing these again

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