dan58
02-15-2007, 12:39 PM
Anyone here have install tips? I will be adding the gotpropane kit to my 360 in the next week or so.
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Mudrat
02-15-2007, 04:22 PM
Hi Dan
We have a whole thread on propane ... (http://www.bulltear.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1631&highlight=propane) <click
We have a whole thread on propane ... (http://www.bulltear.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1631&highlight=propane) <click
dan58
02-16-2007, 09:49 AM
Hi Dan
We have a whole thread on propane ... (http://www.bulltear.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1631&highlight=propane) <click
Very good. Thanks.
We have a whole thread on propane ... (http://www.bulltear.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1631&highlight=propane) <click
Very good. Thanks.
Goose
02-16-2007, 01:49 PM
Let us know how you come out.. I know a couple guys who run propane.. the only complaint I have ever heard is the regulator freezing in extreme cold?? (I know less than bupkis on this so beats me..)
dan58
02-19-2007, 08:55 AM
Let us know how you come out.. I know a couple guys who run propane.. the only complaint I have ever heard is the regulator freezing in extreme cold?? (I know less than bupkis on this so beats me..)
I'm planning to take quite a few pics. My Jeep thing? has no top, no doors, no windshield, and zero heat. If it's THAT cold, I'm staying home! :wink:
I'm planning to take quite a few pics. My Jeep thing? has no top, no doors, no windshield, and zero heat. If it's THAT cold, I'm staying home! :wink:
dan58
03-13-2007, 12:51 PM
After the first trail ride, I knew the carb had to go (anyone want a MC2100 with a 4 barrel adapter plate?). I did a bit of research on just about every option out there. I toyed with the idea of different fuel injection routes. Everyone has their own take on it, whether it be Howell, MOPAR, Affordable FI, etc. They all use a modified Chevy TBI for the most part. These kits range from $900-$2500. For those mechanically inclined, you can hit up the local p-n-p and pillage a TBI Chevy for the important parts. The results are fairly obvious. The downside of these kits are the installation, wiring, and the ability to fix something on the trail.
Otterdog and Scott both made the case to run propane. (search “propane” on Pirate4x4 and see how many people use it on trail pigs) I have seen the Kermit CJ with it, and it runs quite well. Scott is also a big fan, so I thought a little research might be in order. Running propane is NOT a new idea. If you’ve been around a forklift, you’ve probably seen propane in action. (Toyota guys, you are fortunate because many propane-fueled forklifts run a 22R.)
Piecing together a propane kit is a very viable option. With a few hoses and rebuild kits, you can spend $300 or less for everything but the tank. Two other very good options have surfaced. www.propaneguy.com is out of Canada. I checked his sight, but he wasn’t taking orders until April. A kit for my application runs about $600. I believe many of his parts may be reman, but I didn’t do my homework on his kits. Otter suggested www.gotpropane.com because it’s the kit used by Kermit. I spoke with Cary several times to set my expectations, learn the nuances of propane, and to get a feel for his kits. Yes, they are expensive. However, they are very complete, down to the last hose clamp. Everything is brandy spankin’ new in his kit. I pulled the trigger and bought his V8 kit for my pile.
I have to give credit where credit is due. Mike at Appalachian Offroad, Inc did some very nice work on the bag of bolts and steel. He had it for some cage work, and I talked him into installing the propane kit. Johnny abused me all day about the time to install it. It took a bit longer than anticipated, mostly due to AOI’s popularity. I asked tons of questions, took a few pictures, and was generally a pain in Mike’s ass. If it’s going to need a trail repair, I’m going to know how it all works.
The first step is securely installing the tank. These are the typical 8-gallon propane tanks for a forklift. The install is fairly simple. I will likely be paranoid and make an additional safety latch, but I think it will be overkill.
The next step is to route the fuel line to the front of the vehicle. You are typically supposed to run the lines under the tub, away from hot components. I have a relatively flat belly skid and dual exhaust. I just didn’t have the room for it. A quick call to Cary and he reassured me that I’d have no issues with running the line inside the tub. The line is run on the passenger side, to a hole in the firewall.
The next step is to mount the safety switch and vaporizer. Mike bent some tube from my grill hoop to the A-pillar. This made a great place to weld a 6x6 mounting plate and attached the vaporizer. The safety switch is connected to the vaporizer. It’s a small solenoid the opens when the ignition is turned on. It’s pretty simple in function and is a nice little safety device.
Propane is stored in the tank as a liquid. When the vaporizer turns the liquid propane into gas, the unit gets extremely cold (just like a frozen CO2 regulator). To remedy this, coolant lines are run from the radiator, through the vaporizer, and back to the engine (normally, they’d be tapped on the way to the heater core).
Finally, the mixer is placed on the manifold. The unused vac lines are sealed, and the line from the vaporizer is hooked to the mixer.
Voila! Mike checked all the lines for leaks and found only one. After checking all the lines and two electrical connections, we attempted to fire up the old pile. Two hours of head scratching, and we just had no answers. At 10:00, we called Cary. Thank God he’s on Arizona time. He called back and gave Mike a little rundown. Mike turned the rich/lean adjustment screw a bit. Cary gave it his blessed and crossed his fingers.
Cary assured us it will work, but the first fire is a little rough. Mike put down the phone and gave the starter a little love. It fired right up and idled pretty well. Woohoo! The old beast lives again.
It’s heading to Pennsylvania with me for the finishing touches, paint, and some tires.
Again, big thanks to Mike, Johnny, Clint, and all the other AOI shop bitches. <<applause>>
Otterdog and Scott both made the case to run propane. (search “propane” on Pirate4x4 and see how many people use it on trail pigs) I have seen the Kermit CJ with it, and it runs quite well. Scott is also a big fan, so I thought a little research might be in order. Running propane is NOT a new idea. If you’ve been around a forklift, you’ve probably seen propane in action. (Toyota guys, you are fortunate because many propane-fueled forklifts run a 22R.)
Piecing together a propane kit is a very viable option. With a few hoses and rebuild kits, you can spend $300 or less for everything but the tank. Two other very good options have surfaced. www.propaneguy.com is out of Canada. I checked his sight, but he wasn’t taking orders until April. A kit for my application runs about $600. I believe many of his parts may be reman, but I didn’t do my homework on his kits. Otter suggested www.gotpropane.com because it’s the kit used by Kermit. I spoke with Cary several times to set my expectations, learn the nuances of propane, and to get a feel for his kits. Yes, they are expensive. However, they are very complete, down to the last hose clamp. Everything is brandy spankin’ new in his kit. I pulled the trigger and bought his V8 kit for my pile.
I have to give credit where credit is due. Mike at Appalachian Offroad, Inc did some very nice work on the bag of bolts and steel. He had it for some cage work, and I talked him into installing the propane kit. Johnny abused me all day about the time to install it. It took a bit longer than anticipated, mostly due to AOI’s popularity. I asked tons of questions, took a few pictures, and was generally a pain in Mike’s ass. If it’s going to need a trail repair, I’m going to know how it all works.
The first step is securely installing the tank. These are the typical 8-gallon propane tanks for a forklift. The install is fairly simple. I will likely be paranoid and make an additional safety latch, but I think it will be overkill.
The next step is to route the fuel line to the front of the vehicle. You are typically supposed to run the lines under the tub, away from hot components. I have a relatively flat belly skid and dual exhaust. I just didn’t have the room for it. A quick call to Cary and he reassured me that I’d have no issues with running the line inside the tub. The line is run on the passenger side, to a hole in the firewall.
The next step is to mount the safety switch and vaporizer. Mike bent some tube from my grill hoop to the A-pillar. This made a great place to weld a 6x6 mounting plate and attached the vaporizer. The safety switch is connected to the vaporizer. It’s a small solenoid the opens when the ignition is turned on. It’s pretty simple in function and is a nice little safety device.
Propane is stored in the tank as a liquid. When the vaporizer turns the liquid propane into gas, the unit gets extremely cold (just like a frozen CO2 regulator). To remedy this, coolant lines are run from the radiator, through the vaporizer, and back to the engine (normally, they’d be tapped on the way to the heater core).
Finally, the mixer is placed on the manifold. The unused vac lines are sealed, and the line from the vaporizer is hooked to the mixer.
Voila! Mike checked all the lines for leaks and found only one. After checking all the lines and two electrical connections, we attempted to fire up the old pile. Two hours of head scratching, and we just had no answers. At 10:00, we called Cary. Thank God he’s on Arizona time. He called back and gave Mike a little rundown. Mike turned the rich/lean adjustment screw a bit. Cary gave it his blessed and crossed his fingers.
Cary assured us it will work, but the first fire is a little rough. Mike put down the phone and gave the starter a little love. It fired right up and idled pretty well. Woohoo! The old beast lives again.
It’s heading to Pennsylvania with me for the finishing touches, paint, and some tires.
Again, big thanks to Mike, Johnny, Clint, and all the other AOI shop bitches. <<applause>>
Mudrat
03-14-2007, 06:18 PM
COOL BEANS!!!!
Need some pics and sources for parts and such (like the tank??). And especially post up the web site for Appalachian Offroad, Inc !!! Give kudu's where they're due :t:
Need some pics and sources for parts and such (like the tank??). And especially post up the web site for Appalachian Offroad, Inc !!! Give kudu's where they're due :t:
dan58
03-14-2007, 10:22 PM
COOL BEANS!!!!
Need some pics and sources for parts and such (like the tank??). And especially post up the web site for Appalachian Offroad, Inc !!! Give kudu's where they're due :t:
Propane kit = www.gotpropane.com
Tanks = posted on a wanted forum :?
Mike owns www.appalachianoffroad.com in Westminster, MD.
Come over to www.marylandcreepers.com I'm on the BOD there, and Mike is a sponsoring vendor (and a heckuva good guy).
Need some pics and sources for parts and such (like the tank??). And especially post up the web site for Appalachian Offroad, Inc !!! Give kudu's where they're due :t:
Propane kit = www.gotpropane.com
Tanks = posted on a wanted forum :?
Mike owns www.appalachianoffroad.com in Westminster, MD.
Come over to www.marylandcreepers.com I'm on the BOD there, and Mike is a sponsoring vendor (and a heckuva good guy).
Mudrat
03-15-2007, 04:45 PM
COOL BEANS!!!!
Need some pics and sources for parts and such (like the tank??). And especially post up the web site for Appalachian Offroad, Inc !!! Give kudu's where they're due :t:
Propane kit = www.gotpropane.com
Tanks = posted on a wanted forum :?
Mike owns www.appalachianoffroad.com in Westminster, MD.
Come over to www.marylandcreepers.com I'm on the BOD there, and Mike is a sponsoring vendor (and a heckuva good guy).
Cool, When I get through playing PM in FL #-o
Need some pics and sources for parts and such (like the tank??). And especially post up the web site for Appalachian Offroad, Inc !!! Give kudu's where they're due :t:
Propane kit = www.gotpropane.com
Tanks = posted on a wanted forum :?
Mike owns www.appalachianoffroad.com in Westminster, MD.
Come over to www.marylandcreepers.com I'm on the BOD there, and Mike is a sponsoring vendor (and a heckuva good guy).
Cool, When I get through playing PM in FL #-o
CJim7
03-20-2007, 12:02 AM
Im in the planning stages for a propane conversion on my 401, after reading up and doing a bunch of research it sounds like a viable solution to expensive computer-controlled fuel injection systems.
plus i just like to mess around with new stuff :mrgreen:
plus i just like to mess around with new stuff :mrgreen:
dan58
04-30-2007, 07:21 PM
Had the first trail ride this weekend. It ran like a CHAMP. I ran through one 8 gallon tank for the day. I'm 100% pleased.
dan58
05-02-2007, 06:27 PM
And pics: :lo1l:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/CoveJeepsPA/insanity1.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/CoveJeepsPA/insanity2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/CoveJeepsPA/insanity1.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/CoveJeepsPA/insanity2.jpg
runnamuck
05-02-2007, 06:48 PM
paragon?
dan58
05-02-2007, 06:54 PM
paragon?
Gore, Va. www.bigdogsoffroad.com
Paragon is closed. :smile:
Gore, Va. www.bigdogsoffroad.com
Paragon is closed. :smile:
runnamuck
05-03-2007, 10:07 AM
i thought paragon was closed but was hoping it was back open, since that kind of looked like a spot i know.
been wanting to get to big dogs just haven't made it yet.
been wanting to get to big dogs just haven't made it yet.
boggerboy
05-12-2007, 11:03 AM
cool thread on the panes of propane .. im going propane on my wrangler well sbc and if i like it ill go with it on the Cj to seems the way to go i just have to find a way to mount the tanks so that i can utilize my rear seat in the yj... :lo1l:
dan58
06-02-2007, 08:22 AM
We had the first big trip out with it. First was a shakedown run at Gore, Va.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/pe297cb8b0085967732d33335cc780fee/e9af6fff.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2092656373
Then, 4 days at Tellico. My friend took it for a spin on Helicopter Pad and flopped it.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2091538249
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p50cd7aefe3b9df62d01b6018592dac10/e94456d5.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p29c3fa9254e800debc703e6dab41913f/e9447c96.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/pe297cb8b0085967732d33335cc780fee/e9af6fff.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2092656373
Then, 4 days at Tellico. My friend took it for a spin on Helicopter Pad and flopped it.
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2091538249
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p50cd7aefe3b9df62d01b6018592dac10/e94456d5.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p29c3fa9254e800debc703e6dab41913f/e9447c96.jpg
dan58
07-16-2007, 09:04 PM
Another update. The propane is working like a champ. I laid her on the side for a good minute or two. Kept my foot on the throttle, and she pulled through the obstacle. Too bad my tub looks like I drug it over 20' of rocks. 111!!! 111!!!
Mudrat
07-19-2007, 06:56 AM
Pix of the engine compartment and plumbing??
dan58
07-19-2007, 08:04 AM
Pix of the engine compartment and plumbing??
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2095513360
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2095513360
boggerboy
07-20-2007, 03:23 PM
Awsome jeep and its on propane :t: I like that will be doing the same i have all the stuff was going to put it on my wrangler but now im thinkin about puttin it on my 64 gladiator :t:
PaintedRat
08-16-2007, 09:57 AM
Haven't started it yet, but thought I'd share a pic of setup. Late 70's 360, stock exh manifolds, Edelbrock intake, gotpropane kit. All that's left is getting the oil pump primed. The tank rings are in the back in place of the seat. I'm going to drop the floor about four inches in the new tub and put a rack above them. There is nothing mounted on the fenders, it's all on the firewall.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2788000-2788999/2788310_32_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2788000-2788999/2788310_34.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2788000-2788999/2788310_32_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2788000-2788999/2788310_34.jpg
dan58
09-17-2007, 05:57 AM
Did a little wheeling this weekend. The drop is about 8'. :lo1l: The propane didn't skip a beat. Do THAT with a carb.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1EKQjPBMrc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1EKQjPBMrc
tufcj
09-17-2007, 07:23 AM
Not with a carb. I learned that my Holley would stall before the Jeep reached it's roll point. The second trip out with my EFI, I forgot that I didn't have that safety valve, had to reach up and turn off the key because it was still running UPSIDE DOWN #-o .
Bob
tufcj
Bob
tufcj
jeepsr4ever
09-17-2007, 07:49 AM
Dan did you do up those hummer wheels?
dan58
09-17-2007, 12:50 PM
Dan did you do up those hummer wheels?
Otter Whaley did them.
The center holes were milled, and the had a little milling done to clear the bolts. The kit is Marsh Racing.
Otter Whaley did them.
The center holes were milled, and the had a little milling done to clear the bolts. The kit is Marsh Racing.
jeepsr4ever
09-17-2007, 01:18 PM
Thats a nice way to go!
dan58
04-03-2010, 02:02 PM
Thought I'd bump this.
After three full years of wheeling with the gotpropane.com kit, I have ZERO complaints and zero failures on my system. I won't call running out of propane an error of the system. :?: That *might* be on the driver. 111!!!
If you are at all thinking of propane on a 360, this is definitely the way to go. I'll be racing this year in the RCRocs series, so we'll get a real good idea about propane on an AMC.
After three full years of wheeling with the gotpropane.com kit, I have ZERO complaints and zero failures on my system. I won't call running out of propane an error of the system. :?: That *might* be on the driver. 111!!!
If you are at all thinking of propane on a 360, this is definitely the way to go. I'll be racing this year in the RCRocs series, so we'll get a real good idea about propane on an AMC.
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