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AMX69PHATTY
05-03-2007, 12:05 PM
IT STARTED TUESDAY, FIRED FIRST TRY after a couple cranks, manually primed fuel bowls.
No leaks so far, ran great for 25 minutes, had full exhaust hooked up and yet
"only 2" nieghbors stop over to "complain" 15 minutes in, I said over soon, 10:45 pm.
So it runs, did it with car still on jackstands cause of the Master Cyl "opportunity".

Anxious to set it back down on the ground and drive it, but alas, brakes first.

http://home.fuse.net/ckthomas/AMC-AMX-367-1st-FIRE-050107.jpg

http://home.fuse.net/ckthomas/AMX-CAR-MOTOR-APRIL-2007-B.jpg

BREK
05-03-2007, 01:16 PM
Congrats!!! Hopefully I too will be doing the same soon!

Blown7
05-03-2007, 04:59 PM
Them pics sure are purrty.


Jeff

tufcj
05-03-2007, 05:09 PM
Glad to hear it's running. Going to Denver in July?

Bob
tufcj

AMX69PHATTY
05-03-2007, 06:30 PM
Thanks y'all :t:

Unable to go to Denver :smile:

AMX69PHATTY
05-21-2007, 09:33 PM
Well I'm major bummed out man. :(:

Only got to drive the car 30 miles and

it wiped out #4 Exhaust Cam Lobe and Lifter :smile:

Guess it will be more fun rebuilding it the second time right ? #-o

Goose
05-21-2007, 10:06 PM
Sorry to hear about the cam.. But ummm whats going on in Denver in July??

AMX69PHATTY
05-22-2007, 08:53 AM
An AMC Annual National Show-Swap-Drag meet is in Dever this year.

A similliar event, GAD, Great AMC Day, is in Ohio this weekend.

And the new motor is toast :smile: :smile: :smile:

jeepsr4ever
05-22-2007, 09:06 AM
:-|

Goose
05-22-2007, 11:22 AM
bummer dude.. did it lunch some pieces of the lifter/cam??

Oh and I ask cause I live in Denver.. (well close) and wouldnt want to niss it,.===========>

AMX69PHATTY
05-22-2007, 11:46 AM
Yeah the #4 Exhaust Lobe is about half gone and lifter cupped about 1/8" #-o

All 15 other Lifters look fine.
Probably about 2 hours total run time.
Old Cam & New Hyd. Lifters, Cam Lube, Rotella-T
25 minutes at 2000+ rpms on first start
Crane double valve springs, #120 closed - ~315 open
Pushrod length looked good, pattern centered on valve stems.
Did change oil to 10w30 after break-in with EOS added to it.

Lookin' at a 95k '87 Wagoneer 360 today, $300

Posted some questions in Engines

:idea:

tufcj
05-22-2007, 11:52 AM
Colorado AMC Club hosting the 2007 AMO Nationals.

http://www.amonational.com/Conv%20Itinerary%201.pdf


Bob
tufcj

AMX69PHATTY
06-12-2007, 08:41 AM
Was something I found humorous here, thought it better to remove it #-o

AMX69PHATTY
06-15-2007, 09:25 AM
:idea:

So if I can feels "things" on some journals with a fingernail the crank needs attention right ?

:smile: :smile: :smile:

( the rod bearings have the oil squirter hole, they were bought in '04 )

1970amx
06-15-2007, 01:59 PM
If you can feel irregularities with your fingers a polishing is in order if possible.

good luck!
Rob

AMX69PHATTY
06-16-2007, 05:19 PM
Well motor is completely apart and crank is out.

Just hope it will polish up ok and not need ground.

Guess I should have block tanked and new cam bearings too right ?

:-|

Mudrat
07-17-2007, 09:53 AM
Be a good idea to make sure all the pieces parts are washed out. Wouldn't hurt to cross dill the crank and chamfer the holes before you polish it again.

AMX69PHATTY
07-17-2007, 03:02 PM
Crank polished up ok, was already cross drilled and chamfered before.
Have new rod and main bearings.
Have hand lapped oil pump cover smooth.
Have new cam and lifters.
Have used Brake Clean, compressed air, and brushes on block.
Should have everything ready to start re-assembly.
But first need to figure out a medical issue which has came up.
Not sure, but may have gall stones, sonagram tomorrow 7:45am

#-o

Mudrat
07-21-2007, 06:48 PM
But first need to figure out a medical issue which has came up.
Not sure, but may have gall stones, sonagram tomorrow 7:45am
#-o
Bummer - - you OK?? I have kinda screwed up my back after the tornado hit the trailer last Sat.

Don't EVER want to do that again!!!

AMX69PHATTY
07-21-2007, 11:53 PM
Doing better ....... since my doc game me some good pain killers :mrgreen:

Sonogram gram showed only "a few small stones and some sludge"
and did not give a specific count or sizes but at least no "biguns".
Was relieved though to find out it wasn't anything "major".
Past couple days have done better and no pain pills for 36 hours so far.
Hopefully a change to a better diet will be all I need.
There's stuff out on the web about how to do a "galbladder flush".
Not sure if there's a need to go to that extreme yet or not.
Thanks for asking, hope the back is doing better,
threw mine out also for the first time at xmas 2005.
Man I didn't need this right now, over 40 and fallin' apart #-o
Kinda like the ol' AMX - Ha !

Mudrat
07-22-2007, 08:00 PM
Doing better ....... since my doc game me some good pain killers :mrgreen:

Man I didn't need this right now, over 40 and fallin' apart #-o
Kinda like the ol' AMX - Ha !
40!!! Punk kids :shock:
I had kidney stones at half your age! And 35 years later I'm still kick'n, ride'n and Jeep'n :wink:
Lotsa juices (orange, and everything else), a daily vitamin, plus LOTS of water everyday
(usually from the melted ice in the Jack Daniels :?

AMX69PHATTY
09-13-2007, 09:07 AM
Did Break-In run yesterday on the "new" new 367 motor.
All went well. Used strait 30wt Rotella-T, API rated SJ, and 1/2 bottle, of GM E.O.S., 8oz.
New Elgin / Clevite cam and lifters. A little disappointed in how it runs,
sounds much milder than it did before, more of a "thrush thrush" sound than a "roar roar"
and not nearly as lumpy an idle, from what little bit of time it was heard idleing.
Will drive it soon and see.

Mudrat
09-20-2007, 05:29 PM
Well? Any update? I mean it's been a week! :shock: :shock: :wink:

Still trying to sort out my 360 timing issue :oops: Havent had time to do squat with the Heep :smile:

AMX69PHATTY
09-21-2007, 12:15 AM
Have clocked 225 miles, all seems ok. Have yet to hammer on it.
Trying to be stealthy, today I wired up existing in-dash E-Brake Warning Light as a Shift Light.
Simple cause the E-Brake light, rather than being powered through the instrument cluster "circuit board",
has it's own 2 idependent wires and just attached them to an RPM activated switch.
:wink:

Been thinkin' chassis dyno, but fear the truth #-o

Been to much urban growth, none feel like "isolated stretches" :-|

Stick with it on the Ignition / Dizzy / Timing. You'll get it
Just 3 or 4 things that all move relative to one another. :shock:
1) Cap, Hsg, Switch Plate, moved by initial timing setting
2) Rotor button, moved by mech advance
3) Switch Plate, moved by vac advance
Just get them all so button points to a post when it fires and is at TDC.
Easy to say anyway.

some new pics, old low res digicam

http://home.fuse.net/ckthomas/AMX69BSOSEP07B.jpg

http://home.fuse.net/ckthomas/AMX69BSOSEP07A.jpg

Mudrat
09-21-2007, 02:52 PM
yeah, I've got a guy covering my weekend for me so i'll pull the front cover off and check the timing chain (double roller billet).

Think'n on a different Dizzy ... I rebuilt this (stock) one and may have screwed up somewhere.
:-|
May be lo-res pix, but still a good look'n ride!!

AMX69PHATTY
10-23-2007, 11:15 PM
My First Videos AMX YouTube

Well, it aint much, but it's a start. Steep learning curve with this digital video stuff.
Hopefully some more entertaining stuff to follow.
Need to learn to get beyond 30 second length limit to the video caused by me and camera, not YouTube.
Currently recording to memory card in camera cause can download to pc thru USB.
Looks like I need a firewire card, firewire cable, and DVD software
to make videos longer than 30 seconds on tape and download to the pc.
More than I can spend right now, someone loaned me their camera to use.
Need to get a cameraman and go find a place to do a burnout.

Clips 7 thru 10 are with it running. How's it sound y'all ??? Flowmaster 40 series.

1 - walk around in garage - 1 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR7TzNjsi3A

2 - walk around in garage - 2 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9yBOFftUIQ

3 - walk around in garage - 3 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjw1SgmX3u4

4 - walk around in garage - 4 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN37bKEeWkE

5 - walk around in garage - 5 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ij6PVtfxw

6 - walk around in garage - 6 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXyL91Mje0A

7 - running in driveway - 1 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrT8DaXYM_w

8 - running in driveway - 2 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tHHSkt6Y0A

9 - running in driveway - 3 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93n8xhrzmEs

10 - running in driveway - 4 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlRA1_kmmcg

:?

Mudrat
10-25-2007, 06:46 PM
Sounds good - - where's the burn-out?? :-|

AMX69PHATTY
10-26-2007, 01:39 AM
A Burnout was the main video objective :roll:

Gotta corner someone to take time to play cameraman
it started raining and hasn't stopped for about a week
car hasn't been wet for 4 years
and how to fugure a work-around to get more than 30 seconds
and still be able to download to my pc without spending $$$

AMX69PHATTY
12-07-2008, 12:32 AM
Well, after 1st 343 block, 360 crank rebuild wiped a cam lobe,
the 2nd assembly with a smaller Elgin E-1041-P cam & lifters
now has over 1200 miles on it all seems well.
Smaller cam forced a change from previous 850 DP down to a 750 DP.
After much worrying, nashing of teeth, street driving, and a year passing, took it to the track.
Pleasantly surpised in October 2008 when it turned the same 1/4 times
as it had before with the slightly larger dual pattern old cam.
Made 5 passes in one evening, all pretty much the same, 12.60 @ 107 mph. :!:
Previous bests were 12.60 @ 109 mph.
So using 3250 lbs and 107 mph = ~305 HP @ tires
~381 HP engine using a 20% drivetrain loss
~407 HP engine using a 25% drivetrain loss
TF727 with 10" 3k B&M stall, 3.73 gears, 26x8.5 slicks, full pipes, pump gas.

Finally got a burnout video.
Still not the best, camera work could be better, but beats a blank.
Best burnout was the first attempt, but did NOT get video'd.
All I got was a still image of the start and end of it.
So, after that, didn't really "burn it down" since wasn't sure if it was getting taped.
Taken mid November 2008.

Burn Out Video - "Blaire Witch" video style 111!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYtxM2d5tfw

Also deleted old walk-around videos and replaced with new edit version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chRm44FE1yc

:idea:

Also designed and fabricated a custom RamAir Hoodseal Air Cleaner Assembly.
Whatayall think, how's it look ?

http://home.fuse.net/ckthomas/AMX-Custom-RamAir-Air-Cleaner-Group.jpg

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