Mav68erick
07-02-2011, 04:50 PM
As Ive already called and talked to Matt twice, Im still snow balling exactly how im going to go about decieding what I want to do.
Heres what Im thinking, Obviously no smaller then a 4x4 I got the perfect spot for it in my side of a partitioned pole barn, Its roughly 20 x 22 for my work area, and I got a 68 camaro on a jig I built that I can roll around. Now 4x4 would still leave me with plenty o room but Im possibly thinking of building a 30 x 40 or bigger pole barn next year, and think I should just get a 4 x 8 now and live with the space issues.
The only thing I dont like about the 4 x 8 is well, how do you load a full sheet by your self! I worked in a shop, we had 2 lasers 1 was a mazak and we used an electric lift to slide it onto the table sideways onto the table rollers, yes you could slide it without the lifters up just took a little more work. The Bystronic had no rollers and we loaded that with the forklift. Now I can see loading 16g or smaller by myself, but the fact you have to do it long ways rather then from the side, you need some sort of table extension or rollers to do this. And this isnt even part of the bigger issue, where do you store these bigger sheets, and then picking them up is another story. So as much as buying bigger first seems like a good Idea, it all really seems like more work then to just have full sheets sheered in half IMO, I mean a 4 ft wide sign seems like it would be pretty big. If I had the bigger barn id prolly get a small forklift at an auction and be done with it but I wanna work with what I got.
So I was told after purchase Id get some plans, Is it possible for someone or " the mod " to show the plans now, Ive seen the 4 x 8s posted on pirate 4x4. I Just wanna get a materials list to see the cost from where I normally get steel discounted through my cousin and then at another place that I heard will beat anyones prices. I wanna do this so I can figure the price difference between a Gantry kit and a complete table.
Figure its around $5K for a kit delivered, I got a rough estimate for delivery at 48.50 on the phone. and then figure $7200 for a complete delivered ( 300 freight ) so $2200 difference. Thats almost the price of the Hypertherm 65 Im leaning towards, until I talk to Mr. Jim Colt about that and the 45 Im undeiced atm, although Id rather have a little bit bigger. I Know Its not gonna cost anymore then 300 for steal, so Im basically paying 1900 for the table, which Isnt to bad, I bet they test it, I dunno. the torchmate 2x2 water tables 1250 I think.
Another thing, Ive seen the pictures for 5 x 10 with forklift protections, basically it looks like the rails are lower or flush to the table, for side loading, would it be possible to make different motor mount plants and move the rails on the 4 x 8 so it can be side loaded? Or is it possible to release some of the stuff for the 5 x 10 to retrofit it into the 4 x 8.
Another thing I looked into today, was the difference in price for consumeables in the Powermax 45 / 65 I think it was 125 for the 45 kit, and 175 for the 65. And whats consumeable life doing stuff? I think I read 200 pierces on a nozzle? Also the powermax 65 claims to have smart sense, I assume its only the 65 and 85, and not the 45. do you have to change the air pressure on the 45? And with either of these, after I hook my DTHC up can you change the amperage from your pc, or do you change the dial on the plasma cutter itself.
Ive looked up sheetcam and mach 3 and checked some youtube vids out, seems pretty straight forward, pretty sure on the candcnc.com sight sheetcam says it has the ability to nest, and I like the kerf offset so you just draw it the size you want it, and it auto adjusts.
Sorry for being such a bother, Ive been snowballing this in my head the past 2 weeks and cant wait to get it in my garage. Just trying to figure if I wanna pay the extra so I dont have to worry about building my table, as Ive got to much other crap going on, or save my self the cash and find time. Do I get to pick the color? Ive seen green blue and red powder coated, I guess it doesn't matter as long as it isnt green or yellow = P
Heres what Im thinking, Obviously no smaller then a 4x4 I got the perfect spot for it in my side of a partitioned pole barn, Its roughly 20 x 22 for my work area, and I got a 68 camaro on a jig I built that I can roll around. Now 4x4 would still leave me with plenty o room but Im possibly thinking of building a 30 x 40 or bigger pole barn next year, and think I should just get a 4 x 8 now and live with the space issues.
The only thing I dont like about the 4 x 8 is well, how do you load a full sheet by your self! I worked in a shop, we had 2 lasers 1 was a mazak and we used an electric lift to slide it onto the table sideways onto the table rollers, yes you could slide it without the lifters up just took a little more work. The Bystronic had no rollers and we loaded that with the forklift. Now I can see loading 16g or smaller by myself, but the fact you have to do it long ways rather then from the side, you need some sort of table extension or rollers to do this. And this isnt even part of the bigger issue, where do you store these bigger sheets, and then picking them up is another story. So as much as buying bigger first seems like a good Idea, it all really seems like more work then to just have full sheets sheered in half IMO, I mean a 4 ft wide sign seems like it would be pretty big. If I had the bigger barn id prolly get a small forklift at an auction and be done with it but I wanna work with what I got.
So I was told after purchase Id get some plans, Is it possible for someone or " the mod " to show the plans now, Ive seen the 4 x 8s posted on pirate 4x4. I Just wanna get a materials list to see the cost from where I normally get steel discounted through my cousin and then at another place that I heard will beat anyones prices. I wanna do this so I can figure the price difference between a Gantry kit and a complete table.
Figure its around $5K for a kit delivered, I got a rough estimate for delivery at 48.50 on the phone. and then figure $7200 for a complete delivered ( 300 freight ) so $2200 difference. Thats almost the price of the Hypertherm 65 Im leaning towards, until I talk to Mr. Jim Colt about that and the 45 Im undeiced atm, although Id rather have a little bit bigger. I Know Its not gonna cost anymore then 300 for steal, so Im basically paying 1900 for the table, which Isnt to bad, I bet they test it, I dunno. the torchmate 2x2 water tables 1250 I think.
Another thing, Ive seen the pictures for 5 x 10 with forklift protections, basically it looks like the rails are lower or flush to the table, for side loading, would it be possible to make different motor mount plants and move the rails on the 4 x 8 so it can be side loaded? Or is it possible to release some of the stuff for the 5 x 10 to retrofit it into the 4 x 8.
Another thing I looked into today, was the difference in price for consumeables in the Powermax 45 / 65 I think it was 125 for the 45 kit, and 175 for the 65. And whats consumeable life doing stuff? I think I read 200 pierces on a nozzle? Also the powermax 65 claims to have smart sense, I assume its only the 65 and 85, and not the 45. do you have to change the air pressure on the 45? And with either of these, after I hook my DTHC up can you change the amperage from your pc, or do you change the dial on the plasma cutter itself.
Ive looked up sheetcam and mach 3 and checked some youtube vids out, seems pretty straight forward, pretty sure on the candcnc.com sight sheetcam says it has the ability to nest, and I like the kerf offset so you just draw it the size you want it, and it auto adjusts.
Sorry for being such a bother, Ive been snowballing this in my head the past 2 weeks and cant wait to get it in my garage. Just trying to figure if I wanna pay the extra so I dont have to worry about building my table, as Ive got to much other crap going on, or save my self the cash and find time. Do I get to pick the color? Ive seen green blue and red powder coated, I guess it doesn't matter as long as it isnt green or yellow = P