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Honcho
01-30-2004, 11:30 PM
Sup all! My name is Brad and I am a newbie to your BB. I own a 79' J-10 Honcho and just last week I bought a very down trodden J-2000 FOR $100.00 DOLLARS YESSSSSSssssss....... =D> The Honcho is slated for an almost frame up restore. I have actually started on it. Right now we are waiting for Edelbrock's new 401 heads. Right now, as I will many many times in the future, I need to pick some brains if I may. Can anyone tell me what kind of TC I have in my Gladiator? Here is a picture of the tag that is on it;
http://www.naughtyjollyroger.com/misc_images/gladiator/tctag.jpg
Here are more pictures of the truck as well;


http://www.naughtyjollyroger.com/misc_images/gladiator/gladiator1.jpg
http://www.naughtyjollyroger.com/misc_images/gladiator/gladiator2.jpg
http://www.naughtyjollyroger.com/misc_images/gladiator/gladiator3.jpg
http://www.naughtyjollyroger.com/misc_images/gladiator/gladiator4.jpg
http://www.naughtyjollyroger.com/misc_images/gladiator/gladiator5.jpg
http://www.naughtyjollyroger.com/misc_images/gladiator/gladiator6.jpg
http://www.naughtyjollyroger.com/misc_images/gladiator/gladiator7.jpg
http://www.naughtyjollyroger.com/misc_images/gladiator/gladiator8.jpg

I have no pink slip yet, I know it's not stolen because I called PD before I bought it, I am not 100% sure about anything, yet. Here is what "I think" I know;
1-"I think" it is a 1969, here is the VIN http://www.naughtyjollyroger.com/misc_images/gladiator/vin.jpg
2- It's a 350 Buick Dauntless w/ a TH400
3- "I think" the front axle is a Dana 44 closed knuckle
4- "I think" I am clueless as to what the rear is, there is a tag on it that says "Use limited slip oil only". Here is a pic of the only numbers I can find on the rear end;
http://www.naughtyjollyroger.com/misc_images/gladiator/rearend.jpg
and a rear view of it;
http://www.naughtyjollyroger.com/misc_images/gladiator/rearend1.jpg
Any ideas gentlemen? Additionally, I am looking for a working instrument cluster, anyone have one laying around they want to sell or can anyone lead me to a junkyard that has these trucks? TIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pyagid
01-30-2004, 11:40 PM
First off Welcome to Bulltear. It looks like you got a pretty good deal for $100. I had one that look very simliar to that at 1 point. IT was a 64 body on a 74 chassis and drivetrain. The rear axle looks like a Dana 60.

I am sure someone here will be able to help you with the rest of your questions


Paul

Honcho
01-31-2004, 12:55 AM
A 60 huh? Hmmm, that would be cool ! Thanx Paul!

jeepsr4ever
01-31-2004, 02:49 AM
your T-case is a dana 20....thats a nice setup 250hp buick 350. It is a dana 44 rear you would need a j4000 with a GVWof 6000 or more to have a 5 bolt dana 60.. great deal you got there brad! :t:

Elliott
01-31-2004, 02:24 PM
Yep, 2406W is a series J-2500 5000GVW short bed w/Dana 44 and if it's taged for ltd slip oil it has a powerloc in it. Nice score.

Honcho
01-31-2004, 03:06 PM
Soooooo.........

Can anyone hands down tell me if the following is correct?
(I just measured the WB and it's about 120")

This truck is a 1969 Jeep J-2500 w/ a 350 Buick, TH400, Dana 44's front and rear w/ closed knuckle fronts, and a powerlock rear end. :-|

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jeepsr4ever
01-31-2004, 03:26 PM
in the immortal words of ed mcmann "You are correct sir" However you may have a closed knuckle dana 27 front..does the pumpkin look like the rear one?

J4GRAND
02-03-2004, 10:29 AM
They never used a Dana 27 in the J Series trucks. Rear axle may be a Dana 53 which has some hard to get parts. Looks like a 44 to me though.

jeepsr4ever
02-03-2004, 10:42 AM
J4 you may be right i know they did use them in Wagoneers. Wagoneers used the Dana 27-A from the start of production until 1970. From 1962 to 1965 the Dana 27 was used in an independent front suspension using torsion bars, but in J trucks i am not sure. 69 was the transitional year for the 53.....hmmm

fuzz401
02-03-2004, 11:34 AM
on that rear look at bouth side of that flange were u found numbers see if there is just 2 numbers 30 44 50 60 70 dana marked there rears that way

fuzz401
02-03-2004, 11:53 AM
http://www.ifsja.org/tech/axle/axleid.shtml

jeepndav
02-03-2004, 10:26 PM
Nice find!! :t:

Honcho
02-03-2004, 10:54 PM
The front pumpkin looks just like the rear. I call Calif DMV and they told me the truck has been purged from the system, YES! LOL That means it has no leins or tickets and it is MINE ALL MINE MUHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!

junkyard jim
02-29-2004, 02:40 PM
Nice looking rig! Quick way to tell if you have a D44 as opposed to a D53/D60 is to slap a wrench on the cover bolts. 1/2" is D44 and 9/16" for the other 2. The diff size is cast into the web. PS: This is Carnuck. For some reason I can't sign in under my regular name (haven't been able to since I first came here in Dec)

Honcho
02-29-2004, 02:55 PM
Jim just yesterday I go the front end back on the ground. I pulled the axle apart dam near 100% except I left the diff bolted in the pumkin. I did clean out the pumpkin, replaced the king pin bearings and races, all new wheel bearings and selas and brakes 100% including cables, cable guides and drums. The partsamerica bag O parts was right on the money! I even found some new Warn hubs from way back when and got them all bolted on w/ new bolts new knuckle seals and felts and evey dam thang!
:lo1l:

junkyard jim
02-29-2004, 02:59 PM
I'm pulling the Dana 44 from my J4000 to sell pretty soon. It has locking hubs and 5 lug drums (It's actually last of the Gladiators) with 3.73 gears. I have a 10 bolt GM front axle with disc brakes and 8 lug wheels to put on. (I'm tempted to put in the dual wheel full float Dana 70 with 4.10s I have in the back but I hope to sell the whole '76 Dodge motorhome soon for $300 )

Lifted79CJ7
02-29-2004, 06:54 PM
Welcome to Bulltear Brad! $100 eh? What a steal! That is a very stout looking truck, always loved the Galdiator's Grill. :lo1l:
Jack

Elliott
03-06-2004, 09:14 AM
At that GVW rating your rear axle is not a Dana 53, it's the D44.
The stamping will be on the lower right hand webbing at the aft side of the rear pumpkin.
The Dana 53 was used on rigs with GVW over 5,600lbs, and the D60 supposedly was not used until 1970 and after on J20 rigs. The next step up from the D53 between 1962 - 69 was the D70.
The D44 will have a flanged outer shaft, while the D53 has a tapered shaft with a large nut on the end of the hub (unlike the D44 or D70).

junkyard jim
03-06-2004, 01:15 PM
I have seen several Dana 44s with taper shaft as well (had a '68 parts rig) The Dana 70 only came with duals afaik (I have a '76 Dana 70 for sale for $300 with or without the motorhome it's in. Must go soon!)

Elliott
03-06-2004, 02:38 PM
I have seen several Dana 44s with taper shaft as well (had a '68 parts rig) The Dana 70 only came with duals afaik (I have a '76 Dana 70 for sale for $300 with or without the motorhome it's in. Must go soon!)

Ok, I thought something was screwy between the TSM and Chiltons, but I don't think I'd ever seen an early D44 rear for the 5000GVW trucks.

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