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Hey Guys,
Long story Short, I start a new Job tomorrow and I'm hearing a very strange noise out of my carb. The best I can describe it is two dim sounding Ticks then a very loud Snap. I hear it through all my gears and the more I accelerate the quicker it gets. The engine (360) is running extremely rough too. I just installed an edelbrock performer intake and carb about 2 months ago and its been running fine. Any Guesses or where to start?
Thanks
I would do a timing check. Also did your carb come with some instructions like turning the two mixture screws in clockwise all the way until it stumbles then turn them out 1/2 a turn?
Ill check the timing, and yes I have adjusted the mixture screws.
I just went back outside after it warmed up and raced the engine up a little. The snapping sound went form once every say 2 sec to about 5 times a second. This is the first time ive expirenced that since all this happened
Doesnt sound right! I would suspect a burned intake valve or bad timing. Did you do anything else but do the intake and carb swap?
No thats all I replaced....... a few months before that I replaced the dist with an HEI. New plugs and wires when I did that!
Could it be cracked ceramic on a Plug or a misfiring plug?
I woudl check the timing and routing of your wires. 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2
Ok Ill do that, Thanks man
maybe you should check for bent push rod or bad rocker.
So I checked the wires plugs and distributer. They are all fine, the timing is fine too. When I seat the passenger side mixture screw on the carb. The loud Tick stops completely....Then when I get on the gas again it comes back, and stops once its at idle.
Does this help?
sometimes all of us overlook the obvious.. are you sure that the noise is coming from the carb?? and not bouncing off the hood?? could it be an exhaust leak? or a metallic tapping sound?? they sell cheap stethoscopes (like 6 bucks) to help you track the sounds down..
here is how I would trouble shoot this.. first hook a vacum gauge to the intake if the needle is pulsing back and forth, suspect a burned valve or collapsed lifter..if it did it all the time I would say maybe a bent push rod, clicking can also be caused by a rocker bridge cracked in half. pop the valve covers and check by hand all the rockers.
If the needle doesnt pulse, and the engine isn't missfiring all the time it could be a plug wire arcing or arcing in the dist cap..
the most important thing is to locat the sound then think about all the things things that can cause the sound you find..
If it is coming out of the carb throat, it has to be valvetrain or timing related.. the intake valve is open at the wrong time or it is firing at the wrong time with a valve open.. if it is a ticking or snapping type sound it could be as mentioned above exhaust leak, or something mechancial hitting or a bad plug wire arcing to ground somewhere. my guess is that when you close that mixture screw it is changing the rpm of the engine and that changes the either the frequency of the sound or makes a little more noise to mask it.
But my bet is with it running rough.. you have a pushrod/rocker/ burned valve issue, if you are sure you have checked the wires and cap for arcing.
I hope something in this helps.. good luck.
How can I test if they are arcing
Start the engine at night and raise hood making sure it is dark in engine bay. You should be able to see arch. Look closely and make sure to stay away from fan.
I have not pulled the valve covers yet but when I Installed the, new manifold a while back, I replaced the valve cover gaskets and I noticed two of the rockers where loose but I didn't get around to doing a valve adjustment and one of the push rods I could literally move back and forth just a little and some wouldn't even twist.
I checked them that day because I could here the classic ticking from the valve cover.
I might just bring it to get a valve adjustment and see what they say about it.
Any Thoughts?
Does this engine have the bridged rockers or the seperate intake and exhaust rockers??
and If you have some insulated pliers you can pull one plug wire at a time until you locate the cylinder thats missing and that will help you narrow it down..
Bridged
I hitched a vac gauge up to the constant vac side of the carb and every time I hear the noise the gauge pulses.
Had a sound like that from an old 4300 carb. Turned out it was just carboned up, and the fuel wasn't atomizing properly. Every time I heard the POP, there was a drip raw fuel out of the venturis onto the throttle plates.
Disassembled the carb and soaked it over night in one of those gallon cans of Berryman B12. Blew it dry with compressed air and re-assembled, the problem was gone.
Bob
tufcj
Looking down the throat of the carb as I rev it up I see some of the fuel combust just on the passenger side....Does this have anything to do with whats going on?
you say you are actually seeing a fireball down the carb? that would be a dead nuts giveaway that there is a valve open when combustion is taking place.. (Ummm dude you are wearing safety glasses right? )
Yea I saw it few times as I rev'd the engine up! how would I go about fixing this myself?
Well follow the steps to figure out what is causing it. first pull a plug wire at a time if it makes no difference in how the engine is idling/the noise then put it back on and move to the next.. when oyu locate the cyl that is missing pull the plug and look for mechanical damage.. then pull the valvecover and check the mechanicals (rockers too tight, pushrod bent etc.. )
Something is either causing the plug to fire when the intake valve is open, or the valve to not close completly..
It's never a good idea to look down the carb while revving it... On the other hand, Nothing beats a good laugh, especially seeing a grown man screaming and running around with a head of fire will most likely get me chuckling a little bit... =D>
Heh Heh. yahh! you betcha! almost as funny as that video clip of that D/A that does the flaming shot and spews fire everywhere. (someone here has that clip as an avatar..)Quote:
It's never a good idea to look down the carb while revving it... On the other hand, Nothing beats a good laugh, especially seeing a grown man screaming and running around with a head of fire will most likely get me chuckling a little bit...
This is old school but if you take a spray bottle with engine running and spray a little water into carb it will break the carbon loose.
This is old school but if you take a spray bottle with engine running and spray a little water into carb it will break the carbon loose.
I dont know if you said, but what kind of carb is it, I know Holley has issues with truck avenger series carb when it first came out.
Edelbrock Performer 650
could it be a backfire through the carb? I had a buddy with a 258 that did that and another one that had a bad miss that made a very strange chugging/whack sound. you can check for bad valves with a compression tester and some oil. I would think it is a bad valve. could be bent or sticking or it could be a pushrod.
Well Now that I actually had time to go out and pull the valve covers. The cause of the sound because very evident!
A Pushrod Blew right through one of the rockers. Awsome
coool, glad it was somethimg easy..
I wouldn't exactly say something easy. There had to be a cause. Those factory rockers should go 100K easily.
Questions: :-|
High mileage?
Oiling problem (blocked pushrod or bad lifter)?
Too much cam lift (valve spring binding or retainer hitting guide)?
Make sure everything is working right before just bolting a new one on and driving away. Next time, damage may be worse. #-o
Bob
tufcj
I saw that on a Chevy 383 once. the pushrod wore a hole right through the rocker. see if you have any coil bind or check your spring pressure.