IMMEDIATE ACTION: STOP National ID Bill!

[Mudrat]

I don't know if y'all have been following this or even heard about it ... - Pat

May 10, 2005

Action Alert! Action Alert! Action Alert!

*** IMMEDIATE ACTION: STOP National ID Bill!

The Senate is scheduled to vote TODAY on the "REAL ID Act." You must call both of your Senators immediately and tell them and their staff to VOTE NO on the REAL ID Act. The REAL ID Act does nothing to prevent terrorism or stop illegal immigration. All it does is strap legal, law-abiding Americans with a National ID card system.

Act NOW! There is absolutely no time to lose!

*Action to Take*

1. Call the Senate Switchboard at (202) 224-3121 and ask for your Senators by name. Tell them they MUST VOTE NO on the REAL ID Act.

CALL NOW! ONLY PHONE CALLS WILL BE EFFECTIVE AT THIS POINT!

Remember:

- The REAL ID Act requires the linking of all state driver's license databases -- thereby creating one massive database harnessing the private details of every U.S. citizen.

- The REAL ID Act requires that all state driver's licenses have a common machine-readable technology, including a digital photo of the card holder. Of course, much more intrusive information will likely be required in the near future.

- The REAL ID Act gives the federal government the unprecedented power to dictate what data states collect for license holders. This could include virtually anything, including fingerprints and/or eye retina scans known as "eye-prints."

The REAL ID Act is a national ID scheme, plain and simple. It is NOT a border security bill, as some have tried to spin it. In fact, the bill still permits illegal aliens to acquire driver's licenses!


***PLEASE SEND THIS URGENT ALERT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE***

[Penguin]

First off let me say in this Rant that I use "you" as Americans.

Sorry, there is Nothing you can do now. This was done during the last election, remember when the President said we now have political clout, the people have spoken. Well this is what the people wanted when they voted in all of the idiots making this bill. This is what they were voted into do. Unless they are removed from office they will continue to make these horrible laws.
Here is a better one to get pissed about. You no longer have any rights as an American. You gave those rights to the Republicans. They are now taking care to protect you from yourself and make sure they know everything you do and say. I mean after all they are far better at running your life than you are. Case in point, they passed a law that says you cannot do anything you want when in a foreign country, even if what you want to do is legal in that country. Whoever wrote that bill should never be allowed in any public office again.
Teenagers today, when polled, felt nothing wrong with giving up the rites the constitution lays out for us, because they have been denied so many rights as a teenager. Now with that in mind think about this, in California they are still trying to Tag the students so they can keep track of them. So, is this the start of a national tracking system for all Americans? If you remove privileges from the next generation, they will never know what the priviledge is, thus not miss having them takin away. Plan or coincidence?
When are we going to get away from the two party system and let the checks and balances that were designed to keep this from happening start to work? When will we(the people) decide that the Federal Government does not run our life better than we can. Or how about the right of an American to have his own privacy? How can we continue to claim to help other countries get independence from tyrants when our own government is doing the same to us? Remember in the movie "Patriot" Mel Gibson says why do I want to change from one tyrant 1000 miles away to a 1000 tyrants 1 mile away?
Sorry to rant but I saw this one coming before the last election........ And I get to say "I told you so".

[Mudrat]

Point of Order ...
Dissagree - Republicans are not solely to blame - several members are against this and the Patriot Act. (it's just the 2-party Gov'ment system we have).
Agree - The teens have no frigg'n clue to what we had and lost because they are not being taught the truth in school history classes. And, here in VA, you are only required to take one year of history in high school - and that could be Greek History!!!
Agree- two party system sucks, but unles there is a cataclismic change somewhere, we will never be free of this circus becasue the powers-that-be are too powerful and will not allow the change (it would personally cost them too much to lose that way of life - they would be ... <gasp> COMMONERS!!

Pat

First off let me say in this Rant that I use "you" as Americans.

Sorry, there is Nothing you can do now. This was done during the last election, remember when the President said we now have political clout, the people have spoken. Well this is what the people wanted when they voted in all of the idiots making this bill. This is what they were voted into do. Unless they are removed from office they will continue to make these horrible laws.
Here is a better one to get pissed about. You no longer have any rights as an American. You gave those rights to the Republicans. They are now taking care to protect you from yourself and make sure they know everything you do and say. I mean after all they are far better at running your life than you are. Case in point, they passed a law that says you cannot do anything you want when in a foreign country, even if what you want to do is legal in that country. Whoever wrote that bill should never be allowed in any public office again.
Teenagers today, when polled, felt nothing wrong with giving up the rites the constitution lays out for us, because they have been denied so many rights as a teenager. Now with that in mind think about this, in California they are still trying to Tag the students so they can keep track of them. So, is this the start of a national tracking system for all Americans? If you remove privileges from the next generation, they will never know what the priviledge is, thus not miss having them takin away. Plan or coincidence?
When are we going to get away from the two party system and let the checks and balances that were designed to keep this from happening start to work? When will we(the people) decide that the Federal Government does not run our life better than we can. Or how about the right of an American to have his own privacy? How can we continue to claim to help other countries get independence from tyrants when our own government is doing the same to us? Remember in the movie "Patriot" Mel Gibson says why do I want to change from one tyrant 1000 miles away to a 1000 tyrants 1 mile away?
Sorry to rant but I saw this one coming before the last election........ And I get to say "I told you so".

[Penguin]

Agree, republicans are not solely to blame, they have just managed to be in power right now and many in their group are abusing this power. I am sure that over time the democrats have done it also. Think tree hugger laws that were railroaded through, welfare reform, Social Security abuse, some other nasty stuff we hate.
But what really gets me is that we have a failed government that was not supposed to fail, and people just say oh well. Why do we have to stay with this system? Because we let our reps tell us what to do. Just think of what would happen if in your area if the two people who ran didn't get voted in. And the seat went empty. What message would that send? I think it would be a strong one. "We feel that no representation is better that one that will use his power to his and his parties advantage." But at last it wouldn't happen because one of the two parties would import their own voters to make sure they got elected. How about the two parties trying to make it illegal for an independent presidential candidate because they are afraid that it might take votes away from their candidates. I guess when they were tossing out the unfavorable rules in the set up that our founding fathers put forth, fair competition in elections was one of them.

Mudrat, I think you and I have the same worries about our government. I would like to rant on, but as you said, what's the point, we can't change the failed system now it is to corrupt. I am glad I don't have kids to leave them with this mess our greedy self-indulgent reps have caused.
Maybe they will give us a forum to rant about politics in.........

[Mudrat]

We lost this round. Stand by to be fingerprinted, tagged, bagged and turned over to the United Nations ...

Pat

[Lifted79CJ7]

We lost this round. Stand by to be fingerprinted, tagged, bagged and turned over to the United Nations ...

Pat

Will there be Sweedish girls there????

[tufcj]

Gleaned from another board. Long read, but look where this is headed. We're going to be the new USSR.


http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14973

ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization

May 10, 2005

JPFO ALERT: THE END OF AMERICA - MAY 10, 2005

On Tuesday, May 10, 2005, America became a true police
state. Your U.S. senators voted -- unanimously, with no
discussion, and without even reading the bill -- to create
a national ID card.

The Real ID Act blackmails state governments into turning
their drivers licenses into a draconian tool of the federal
homeland security apparatus. If states refuse, their
citizens lose such "privileges" as being allowed to board
an airplane, enter a federal building, or apply for social
security. President Bush is expected to sign the bill
eagerly on Thursday.

In three years -- by May 2008 -- this Stalin-style internal
passport will be an American reality. But your government
will have _more_ control over you than Stalin ever dreamed
in his most violent, vicious, anti-freedom dreams. (See
links to the text of the law and articles about it at the
bottom of this article.)

But that's only the beginning.

The creator of the Real ID Act, Rep. James Sensenbrenner,
smiles and tells us that his Real ID Act is all about
"solving illegal immigration" or "preventing terrorists
from entering the country." This is one of the biggest of
the thousands of "Big Lies" we've heard from the tyrants in
Washington. The Real ID Act is about tracking and
controlling Americans. You. Me. Our children. Everybody.

In May 2008, barring a miracle, America as we once knew it
will be in ruins. It will be gone. And the rights of gun
owners will be among the first scheduled for destruction.

GUN OWNERS: PREPARE TO RESIST

Here's your future:

* You walk into a gun store, fill out your 4473, and show
your government ID just as you now do. But instead of
looking at your license and taking down some information,
the clerk runs the license (which is likely to contain a
radio-frequency ID chip) through a scanner. Your purchase
is instantly recorded in your _state_ drivers license
registry. The federal government isn't currently allowed to
keep a gun registry. But no problem; the Real ID act gives
them an open door into your state records.

* Complete information on every firearm you buy will be
instantly available to every police officer (and possibly
every government employee, store clerk, or computer hacker)
you ever encounter. You'll be an instant criminal suspect
every time you deal with someone who has access to the
database.

* Just as travelers are encouraged to get background checks
and give fingerprints to avoid some of the worst excesses
of TSA screening, gun owners will be encouraged to get
background checks and give whatever biometric ID the
Department of Homeland Security requires. This will be sold
as a "benefit," ensuring you'll never again experience an
"instant-check" delay. In fact, Congress, the ATF, or the
FBI might even "mandate" 5-day or 15-day delays for anyone
not enrolled in the "Trusted Firearms Buyer" program.

* The private purchase "loophole" will be closed, so that
all gun buyers must make trackable purchases. (The ultimate
goal is for _every_ purchase of every kind to be
trackable.)

* Buying ammo? The store scans your national ID card and --
bingo! -- your purchase is registered in the state
database.

* The federal government or state governments can now also
_effectively_ legislate limits on the amount or kind of
ammunition you're "allowed" to purchase. Try to buy more
and the database instantly rejects you.

* The federal government or state governments can now also
_effectively_ legislate limits on the number of guns you
may own. Try to buy more, and the database rejects you.

* Eventually -- after the federal government "discovers"
the obvious, that national ID won't stop either illegal
immigration or terrorism -- the old attack on "evil guns"
will resume. When they want your .50 BMG they'll know just
where to find it (because the Real ID act says your home
address _must_ be revealed). When they want your evil
"scoped sniper rifle" (you know, the one you hunt deer
with), they'll know just how to get it. Ditto with you
"Saturday Night Special" or your "assault weapon."

* If you don't surrender your guns, well, then the
Department of Homeland Security will cut off your driving
"privilege," as well as your right to escape the growing
police state via plane. You'll be a prisoner in your own
home, in your own country. Or you'll be forced to function
as an outlaw, operating and living a precarious existence
beneath the government radar.

PARANOID? OR PAYING ATTENTION?

You say these projections are ridiculous? That we're
paranoid?

Well, frankly, if the Real ID Act doesn't make you
paranoid, you're not paying enough attention. We ask you to
consider the long-term impact of a few other acts of
government.

In the 1930s, Congress promised us that our social security
numbers would never, absolutely never, be used for
identification. Now, they're the key to everything about us
-- and without a social security number you won't get a
drivers license and you won't even be "allowed" to drive
after May 2008.

In 1913, Congress and the media swore to us that the brand-
new income tax would only affect the rich. Well, how rich
do you feel after paying 40 percent of your income (or
more!) in taxes?

This is the way government works. They've even got a term
for it: mission creep. And there is no creepier mission
than the mission the federal government has currently set
itself: to track everyone, everywhere, and to control what
we do.

We warned you in _The State vs. the People_
(http://www.jpfo.org/tsvtp.htm) that this was coming. That
book is still relevant, still a good read, and still filled
with information about what our future will be like in this
new American police state.

Be forewarned. Be aware.

REAL ID: IT'S THE LAW AND IT'S CRIMINAL

Please take a moment to go to this site:
http://www.rebelfirerock.com/home.html. Click on the link
that leads to the song "Justice Day." Listen to the music
or read the lyrics. Here's the opening of the song:

You're the boot.
Stomping on the human face forever.
You're the eye.
Staring down on everyone and ever seeing all.
You're the lie.
Twisting all our minds into your whoredom.
You are Death.
You are war.
You are slavery.
You're the law.
You're the law.
You're the LAW!

George Orwell was the first to describe totalitarianism as
a "boot stomping on the human face forever." But in
Orwell's day Americans would have had a hard time believing
that the law -- the good old, all-American legislature --
all those smiling senators and "representatives" would be
the ones to plant their iron heels in our faces. Back in
those innocent days, we imagined tyranny would come from
_outside_.

Well, tyranny is here. And it's a gift from the very people
we so trustingly put into office.

Tyranny is THE LAW.

Is this a way to run a country? Tacking something as
onerous as national ID onto a must-pass bill and making it
law without any debate? What does this say about people the
gun owners consider their friends? In the House, where the
bill containing the Real ID Act passed 368-58, only three
Republicans voted against it. Here's the final roll-call
vote so you can see how your own congressperson voted:
http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-
bin/vote.asp?year=2005&rollnumber=161#N (or
http://tinyurl.com/cr3bj )

In the Senate, not one person cared enough about freedom to
vote against it -- or even to demand that senators
_discuss_ it.

(The Real ID Act originally passed the House in February as
a standalone bill (H.R. 41 by a vote of 261-to-161. House
leaders, realizing national ID would have been in trouble
in the Senate, then added it to a must-pass military
appropriations bill in a cynical ploy to make it almost
impossible to fight national ID.)

Turning America into a full-fledged police state was just
business as usual to your representatives. And, just as
Adolf Hitler scrupulously followed German law while
committing his horrors, so your "representatives" and the
bureaucrats you face at the national-ID drivers license
bureau will also be following the law -- the Real ID law
that allows them to enslave you.

(To see what a real Bill of Rights leader would do, read
the novel _Hope_ by Aaron Zelman and L. Neil Smith:
http://www.jpfo.org/hope.htm.)

WHAT NEXT?

We have two choices now: Resist or submit.

More than 600 organizations, from the American Civil
Liberties Union to the National Governors Association,
opposed the bill. Even the American Association of Motor
Vehicle Administrators (which loves national ID and was
largely responsible for an earlier attempt at such
legislation nine years ago) criticized it.

We can expect lawsuits against national ID, including at
least one suit led by state governments.

However, nearly all the opposition from state governments
focuses on one area: They're upset because the federal
government didn't offer them extra money to enslave us. If
Congress bribes them with enough millions and billions,
they'll gladly sell our freedom.

Only one state, Montana, has so far absolutely refused to
cooperate with national ID. The Montana legislature passed
a law saying they would not go along. However, that will
mean that Montana residents are barred from flying without
extreme extra scrutiny or from applying for federal
benefits because their licenses will be "non-compliant."
Although we applaud the courageous Montana legislators, no
doubt we'll soon hear many Montanans demanding the
"privilege" of having a real national ID card.

Ultimately, real resistance is up to us, as individuals.
There are certain courses of action JPFO cannot recommend.
But every freedom lover should be pleased if all the people
who had a hand in creating Real ID act lost their jobs --
soon. And those individuals who truly value their (and
their children's) futures should seriously consider making
national ID their line in the sand.

We have already heard from many people saying they will
drive without a license rather than submit to a license
that has become a Stalinist control document. We just hope
their resolve stays equally strong when they face a world
in which it's impossible to buy, sell, retire, travel -- or
buy a gun -- without national ID.

We ask you to remember men like Alexandr Solzhenitzyn
(http://nobelprize.org/literature/la...1970/solzhenits
yn-autobio.html or http://tinyurl.com/at9yn ) and Natan Sharansky
(http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org.../biography/shar
ansky.html or http://tinyurl.com/chwet ). Both stood up and boldly
opposed a tyrannical regime in the Soviet Union. Both
risked their lives. Both suffered horribly for their
resistance and their protests. But eventually, they
triumphed -- and the Soviet Union crumbled.

We are in need of such people, and such courage, today. We
cannot wait for _someone else_ to stand up and show that
kind of integrity.

We must become the kind of people we admire if we are ever
again to live in a nation we can trust.

G-d help us if we fail.*

- The Liberty Crew


ABOUT THE REAL ID ACT

Text of the law: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-
bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.00418: or http://tinyurl.com/3qdv4

"No Real Debate for Real ID"
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0...71,00.html?tw=w
n_tophead_1 or http://tinyurl.com/b4xqv

"Last Chance to Stop National ID"
http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=5887 (written before
Senate passage)



* We spell G-d this way because in Judaism it is considered
a sign of respect. We spell out the name of the Creator
only in sacred settings.



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[Soylent_Green]

Sooner or later, our world is going to come to a breaking point. It happens in nature all the time, a population of a certain species becomes too large, and for one reason or another, most of them die out suddenly, with only the strongest and most resourseful surviving. When I hear talk about the neer future of our country, or mankind as a whole, I think, why worry about it? life will go on. Perhaps not the way we want it to, but really, in the greater scale of things what do the petty needs of one species on one planet really matter? We are selfish creatures, indeed.

argh, there I go rambling on again...