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    RIP-OFF BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE (edited version)

    THIS IS WELL WORTH READING. IT IS SCARY.
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    RIP-OFF BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE

    Hey, Larry, you asked how the Federal Reserve creates money, steals wealth from the people, and devastates the national economy. Well, let me help you out.

    The Federal Reserve uses euphemistic smoke and mirrors to obscure their operations. With full knowledge the following is not the way the Fed/government describes the system, allow me to offer a different analysis of their mathematical operation.

    Congress can pay for federal expenses with funds collected from taxes, but Congress is never satisfied with this amount. The desire to buy votes/campaign contributions from special interest groups induces congress-critters to spend more, and this is identified as deficit spending. To create this make-believe money requires the assistance of the Federal Reserve.

    Congress will give the Fed a security (bill, bond, or note) and the Fed will accept the document as an asset of one of the twelve FR Banks. The Fed will then establish a line of credit for the U.S. government for the same amount and list the liability as Federal Reserve Notes. Presto !! Fiat money has just been created for Congress to spend. The accumulated securities that are not redeemed add up to the national debt.

    The fiat money is identified as a legal tender. A “legal tender” is something that is required by law to be accepted as payment for a debt---it is compelled satisfaction for, but not payment of, the debt.

    The public debt is now over $13 trillion, or over $40,000 for every man, woman, and child in the U.S. The citizen has been reduced to an indentured servant, or slave, compelled to work for the company store and still face an ever increasing amount of debt. There is no possible relief.

    Here’s how it works:
    Observe that the amount of money created by the Fed as security is the amount of the principal but the amount promised to be repaid is the principal AND the interest. The interest is never created but payment is required by the agreement. It is impossible. The linear expansion of base money via fractional reserves to create commercial loans does not change this. If, hypothetically, all money in circulation was used to pay off the securities issued by Congress, all bank reserves would be wiped out and the commercial loans would collapse---and every dollar of interest accumulated from day one would still be outstanding---but there would be no money outside of the Fed’s vaults to pay it.

    The debt created by usury based sovereign debt is perpetual; it can never be paid off. The contract cannot be culminated. Any contract that cannot be culminated is an act of fraud. A contract based upon fraud is invalid from its inception. It would appear the national debt is not legally enforceable. (A debt incurred by a state or municipality is not a sovereign debt as used in this analysis. Such a debt is akin to a commercial loan and is completely repayable.)

    There is more skullduggery involved. Let us assume a newly established sovereign nation is setting up a usury based economy with the issuance of 100 unit securities, a five year maturity, and an annual interest rate of 20 percent over a span of five years. The identifications of Congress and the Fed will be used to convey the images.

    Upon the issuance of the first security, Congress has 100 units to spend. At the end of the year, Congress/Treasury has to pay 20 units to the Fed for interest. If the nation had to pay off the security at the end of the first year, the bankruptcy is obvious. There have never been 120 units created. Twenty units could be removed from society but that would leave only 80 units in circulation, cause great financial hardships, and still leave an impossible obligation to redeem a 100 unit security. The solution is to put off the interest payment until the next issue of security for the second year. The interest is paid from the principal created by the second issue.

    During the second year there are 200 units in circulation but the actual rate of interest on the second issue is not 20 percent. Since 20 units had to be paid to the security holders, congress only received 180 units to spend (100 + 80) but they are committed to pay 40 units of interest on the security at the end of the second year. The interest rate of 40 divided by 180 is 22.2 percent. Considering the second year alone, the interest is 20 divided by 80 or 25 percent.

    When the security for the third year is issued, the interest of 40 units for the first two years securities will not be available for congress. Congress will receive only 60 units for public projects but will have to pay 20 units interest at the end of the year. The 240 units received by congress (100 + 80 + 60) will require 60 units of interest at the end of the third year. The cumulative interest rate (60 divided by 240) is 25 percent. The interest rate for the third year alone (20 divided by 60) is 33.3 percent.

    At the start of the fourth year, the security will have to cover the interest charge for the three prior years of 60 units. Congress will receive 40 units for government spending. The 280 units received by congress (100 + 80 + 60 + 40) will demand 80 units of interest at the end of the fourth year. The cumulative interest rate (80 divided by 280) is 28.5 percent. The interest rate for the fourth year alone (20 divided by 40) is 50 percent.

    The security issued for the fifth year will pay the 80-unit interest for the prior four years. Congress will have 20 units to splurge. The 300 units received by congress (100 + 80 + 60 + 40 + 20) will require 100 units of interest at the end of the fifth year. The cumulative interest rate (100 divided by 300) is 33.3 percent. The interest rate for the fifth year alone (20 units received--20 units in interest) is 100 percent.

    At the beginning of the fifth year, 500 units of indebtedness have been issued on the full faith and credit of the nation for securities that must be eventually redeemed. 300 units have been available to congress for spending. 200 units have been given to the Fed as interest and another 100 units in interest will be due the security holders at the end of the fifth year.

    In addition, 100 units must be found to redeem the maturing security issued the first year. This factor alone makes it obvious that more debt must be incurred to continue the scheme.

    Beginning the first day into the sixth year (with no new securities being issued), after paying the 100 units of interest for the fifth year and redeeming the 100 unit security issued the first year, the 300 units that had been available to Congress (over the years) has been reduced to 100 units net gain. In the meantime, the Fed or security holders have collected 300 units in interest, gained 100 units in the redeemed security for the first year, and still have a claim on the citizenry for 400 units of outstanding securities that will accumulate an additional 200 units of interest before redemption---a grand total of 1000 units. And there was no initial investment (consideration) put at risk by the Fed.

    The inescapable whirlpool of usury debt can only avoid obvious default by increasing the value of future securities. Increasing the value of issued securities merely postpones the inevitable result.

    A high rate of interest has been selected for the example to minimize repetitive calculations. A ten percent interest rate will consume 100 percent of the security value in ten years; a five percent interest rate will take twenty years. Lower rates of interest merely require more years to reach the same inherent bankruptcy. (Actually, bankruptcy occurs the first year, but then again, since the debt can never be paid off, the entire scheme is based upon fraud. A contract based upon fraud is void from its inception.)

    An economic scheme that utilizes later investors to pay the interest due earlier investors is identified as a Ponzi scheme. This is precisely the scheme that has been presented above. The scheme will survive only as long as more principal is generated to pay the interest. This action only postpones the ultimate time of a much larger reckoning. If purchasers of the new debt cannot be found, the interest must be paid from previously generated principal and the scheme quickly collapses like any Ponzi scheme. Astute investors will demand a higher rate of interest than inflation (resulting from the creation of new principal) or they will suffer a loss of actual wealth. The increase in interest will always be greater than the increase in principal because of compounding effects; i.e., the more the principal increases, the more the interest increases.

    In 1790 during Congress’ consideration of Alexander Hamilton’s proposal to pay the national debt with a usury based obligation placed upon the citizens, congressman James Jackson, after lengthy reflection on the devastation similar plans had imposed on European countries and cities, included the following observations to Congress:

    “Let us take warning by the errors of Europe, and guard against the introduction of a system followed by calamities so universal…The funding of the debt will occasion enormous taxes for the payment of the interest…(such a system) must hereafter settle upon our posterity a burden which they can neither bear nor relieve themselves from.”
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    Agree, way too much for a single post. We Jeepers are simple types, give us the facts in a couple lines - bullet the issues. That's way to big even for me to read!!!

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    Cliff's Notes Version:

    The FED is a legal Ponzi Scheme setup by congress in 1913.



    It was the easy way our of their Constitutional duty to coin money.
    Its a Jeep Thing --- No one understands!

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    Worth the read, not that hard to follow. Reasonably accurate.
    The scary part is that the Fed is not a government body. Although they government gives lip service to "Appointing" members, it is actually an independant corporation owned by the Large Banks and Finance Industry Giants. The very same Greedy Rich people who are running this great country into the ground.
    For a eye opening read, get a copy of "The Creature from Jekyll Island" that gives an in depth look at the creation and creators of the Fed, and how it works, as well as how the Greedy Rich control the country.

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    Re: RIP-OFF BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE (edited version)

    from the original text:
    Congress will give the Fed a security (bill, bond, or note) and the Fed will accept the document as an asset of one of the twelve FR Banks. The Fed will then establish a line of credit for the U.S. government for the same amount and list the liability as Federal Reserve Notes. Presto !! Fiat money has just been created for Congress to spend. The accumulated securities that are not redeemed add up to the national debt.
    What I don't understand about the "Fed" is that they create fiat money which only costs them the price of the paper and the printing, they have not taken a penny out of their pocket or put up anything they own to risk. Yet this fiat money (legal tender) is then loaned out with interest and expect the principle and interest to be repaid to them for this printing service, they have not gone into hawk for anything or put up a rock of their own gold.

    Here is what I don't get: This money they printed is money they have not owned prior to lending it out. How is it they have the right to be paid back for something ( an asset) they didn't ever own? We--U.S. citizens then become debtors to pay our assets out to the Fed for an asset they never owned.

    How does that work? Isn't this moral thievery? What do they do with this fiat money (principal and interest) they receive in payment, for an asset they didn't own which is now legal tender. Why can't we just tell them to "go blow?" In other words pay them back what they loaned out--the cost of printed paper?

    I would really like to hear your thoughts. I know that we have some great minds out there.
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    The Fed does not print the money. It "Authorizes" the US Treasury, which is a government body, to print the currency at tax payers expense.
    The majority of the transactions are currency-less, especially now with online banking. Just lots of numbers on a ledger sheet. Big numbers. Really big numbers.

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    Ok, now that we got that straight can you or anyone else answer my question?
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    First, if you want to understand, read "The Creature from Jelyll Island" and/or "Money Masters" available from www.themoneymasters.com
    and look up "Fractional Reserve Banking" on Wikipedia.
    The Fed is made up of and owned by the largest Banks and Finance Business working as one business. As such, they act as one Bank. This Bank holds the Loan known as the Federal Debit.
    The Federal Debit is like a credit card. It is a revolving unsecured loan. Previous to last years regulations, credit card minimum payments were typically less than the interest due on the card account. When someone paid the minimum payment, the loan would never be paid off, but would increase over time. The interest paid to the financial institution is Profit.
    Just like the credit card, the interest paid to the Fed is Profit.
    The Banking and Finance Industry is Capitalism on Steroids, with rules bent to allow practices not acceptable in other industries and protections based on government support.
    The Morality of Extrodinary Profit is in the eye of the beholder, much as is Beauty, however you can not "Just Say No" with out a complete recreation of the financial system of the country and much of the rest of the world.
    The debate of how much Profit is too much Profit goes back throughout history. That is why Greed is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

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